Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[MHM]

@ScaredOfHorses

I actually just looked up events in my area and it appears there are equestrian events occurring all around me. Maybe someday I’ll attend. Is there a way to look up where certain riders will be competing?

They’re everywhere! They’re happening all around you! Lol.

Depending on the size of the event, there may be a website for the specific event which would list the competitors in advance, along with the schedule.

[eggbutt]

Ignore/Mute works amazingly well. Once a poster shows you who they really are, believe them! Or in other words, if they post once and don’t get the reaction they want and post the same post again, it’s time to ignore.

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[Angela_Freda]

@Bogey2

No, all barns should have a signed agreement that they can end the partnership at any time with a 30 days notice. Then you give the person 30 days notice. It’s standard practice when one leaves or is asked to leave. I have over years told people this was not a good fit and gave them 30 days. I have had people tell me they were leaving for whatever reason and they give 30 days.
I know she’s difficult but if you handle it like a business deal and no working this or that off it goes much better. I don’t make any deals with people who board here, that gets too messy.

Then I guess you’d be comfortable if she applied to board with you?

I think you’re missing a lot here…

[MHM]

That is an excellent picture. Lol.

[eggbutt]

@Angela_Freda

@Bogey2

No, all barns should have a signed agreement that they can end the partnership at any time with a 30 days notice. Then you give the person 30 days notice. It’s standard practice when one leaves or is asked to leave. I have over years told people this was not a good fit and gave them 30 days. I have had people tell me they were leaving for whatever reason and they give 30 days.
I know she’s difficult but if you handle it like a business deal and no working this or that off it goes much better. I don’t make any deals with people who board here, that gets too messy.

Then I guess you’d be comfortable if she applied to board with you?

I think you’re missing a lot here…

I think they are saying remain business like and exercise the 30 day option to have LK move if necessary, and not allow any “working off” board payments.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

I think they are saying remain business like and exercise the 30 day option to have LK move if necessary.

That sounds like a great plan. In theory.

Or to quote Mike Tyson, which is a thing I have probably never done before in my entire life, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

In a somewhat crazy cosmic coincidence, the article that I happened to click on to track down that quote includes a reference to The Art of War, which I believe LK mentioned on the witness stand. Pretty darn freaky.

[trubandloki]

@MHM

In theory.

Very important part of your sentence.

[Bogey2]

what?? I would never take her on as a boarder. I usually get references from other barns before I take anyone in. Why do you think my post says I would take her?

[cheval_convert]

But are you barefoot?

[CanteringCarrot]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@lazaret

@CurrentlyHorseless

So, was MHG already divorced from her husband when she left him, disrupting the lives of the two children, to enter a “relationship” with a top trainer who might facilitate her goal of getting on an Olympic team? A top trainer who had been permitting two “known druggies” to live on his property for a year?

You seem to have real difficulty with timelines. What jumps out at me is your continued assertion that LK was there first and somehow MHG took up with MB to get into some kind of competition with LK.

She was already involved with him before LK marched herself onto the scene. His divorce was over and done by April 2019. Twisting the timeline to make the movie in your head work doesn’t make any of your invented times facts.

The part where you continue to try to make this some love triangle gone awry is baffling. It’s a weird fixation on people’s sexual and marital lives and it’s pretty gross, tbh.

No, I’m not saying MHG, MB, LK were a love triangle of any type.

MHG apparently dropped MB very suddenly after the shooting. Another poster defended MHG for dropping him so abruptly on the grounds she was looking after the interests of her children.

Way back, there was a post that said that prior to 2019, when MB and VKB were still married, MB, VKB, and MHG were all living and training at Hawthorne Hill. The post said that VKB did not want a divorce, but that MHG and MB conducted their affair openly until VKB was driven out. I do not know whether LK was there at the time or not. I don’t know if it’s true. While I understand divorce is commonplace and often the best, or only, step in some situations, forcing the current wife out of the picture by carrying on with the younger protege before obtaining a divorce, or even a separation, strikes me as unspeakably selfish and cruel on the part of MB. And MHG.

On the issue of MHG conducting her life putting the children’s interest foremost, I was pointing out that MHG left her husband, disrupting the lives of her children, to train with and have an affair with a trainer (currently married according to the post) who she thought could help her further her dressage ambitions. The fact that she left MB so abruptly after the shooting, when he was delusional and incarcerated, indicates to me that the basis for the relationship was something other than a loving commitment. After the shooting, the danger from LK and RG was over.

I don’t know if the post about MHG and MB carrying on under his current wife’s nose is true or not. But it fits with IMs statements that MB gave up everything (his marriage and business partner and half his assets) for MHG. If the relationship with MHG was not going well by summer of 2019, prior to the shooting, that would a huge amount of stress for MB.

I don’t think LK was making a play for MB, or that MHG considered LK a romantic rival. I can well imagine that MHG resented LK taking up MB’s time and attention in terms of training, though, and wanted her gone for that reason.

Apparently MHG wanted LK gone as early as April 2019, but MB declined to give LK notice that he was ending the training/boarding arrangement for months. Instead, he tried to keep LK as a client and somehow appease MHG. When the pressure and impossibility of doing both became unbearable, he experienced a mental break and shot LK.

What I don’t understand, or disagree with, is this narrative that the tragedy was 100% created by LK. She obviously had her role in creating the situation which eventually blew up. But MB, MHG, and RC also had major roles in creating the situation. MB has been acquitted due to his insanity. But was MHG delusional as well?

LK and IM have been saying all along that MHG was at the epicenter of this debacle. I don’t deny that MB might’ve been under some pressure from her and I don’t know MHG’s intentions re the relationship. It’s still a narrative pieced together with mainly assumptions. Some may be wrong, or right.

[cheval_convert]

@MHM

Or to quote Mike Tyson, which is a thing I have probably never done before in my entire life, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

My BIL worked in a hospital when there was a regime change. The new regime insisted on having meetings to air grievances (sounds like Fesivus from Seinfeld) and to try to be more understanding and encouraging. Every day they had a different person post a sentiment on the bulletin board that was supposed to be encouraging. My BIL posted the above statement - they never made him participate in that exercise again.

[eggbutt]

MHG and OTHERS wanted them gone! They did nothing but cause conflict and disruption. Period.

[MorganSercu]

Oh boy, I see Steve Wolgemuth has donated to the GFM for Michael Barisone.

I bet Lauren just added him to her enemies list.

[Wilbury_Pie]

You are obsessed with MBs personal relationships that are clearly none of your business. It’s really f’ing weird.

[trubandloki]

I must admit, I must live a very exciting life because I have never been so interested in the relationship(s) people around me are having as CH is in MB’s relationship(s). So strange.

Or, gee, could they have a narrative they are trying to make come true?

[iberianfan]

A quick google search shows that VK was a “former partner” in Barison dressage and had gone back to her maiden name in April of 2019 (and that does not tell us when she became a former partner, just a date that she was teaching under her maiden name). MHG announced her business partnership with MB in August of 2018.

While there is some overlap in these dates, a divorce,especially when separating assets, usually takes a long time. Months. So I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the two did not overlap if VK was divorced and completely separate from MB in April 2019. And I am not stalking or being creepy. There is just a lot of info floating around.

Plus, I want to believe the best in people. For the most part.

[CanteringCarrot]

@eggbutt

MHG and OTHERS wanted them gone! They did nothing but cause conflict and disruption. Period.

I’m not doubting that.

[cdalt]

Who is Steve Wolgemuth? I only ask as I am curious since I sat in front of a boy by that name in elementary and middle school and I wonder if this might be a son or grandson ( my Steve teased me for years, pulled my pony tail and asked all sorts of embarrassing questions - this was 60+ years ago in IL).

[DownYonder]

@MHM

@eggbutt

I think they are saying remain business like and exercise the 30 day option to have LK move if necessary.

That sounds like a great plan. In theory.

Or to quote Mike Tyson, which is a thing I have probably never done before in my entire life, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

In a somewhat crazy cosmic coincidence, the article that I happened to click on to track down that quote includes a reference to The Art of War, which I believe LK mentioned on the witness stand. Pretty darn freaky.

The version I heard came from someone in Marine Recon who had served one combat tour in Iraq and two combat tours in Afghanistan:

No OPS plan survives first contact with the enemy.

I think it is sometimes referred to as Murphy’s First Law of Combat.

And I can certainly believe it came originally from The Art of War.

[eggbutt]

And just look how quickly you found that information! These two want everyone else to do their search for them and then complain. Super lazy.