Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[ekat]

@MHM

Superstar witness! Lol

And now I’m rethinking watching him again in the civil trial. Who knows what he might blurt out?

[Sdel]

@ekat

@MHM

Superstar witness! Lol

And now I’m rethinking watching him again in the civil trial. Who knows what he might blurt out?

That was the biggest head scratcher of the whole trial….

The prosecution/judge literally spent the whole trial keeping all that stuff out……and just sat there grinning away while Stache went on about it all….

That could not have gone unnoticed by the jury…

[erinmeri]

I wonder if anyone used the Wayback Machine to save that post.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

The answer was probably written by her lawyer.

Meh. You’re giving way too much credit here. It was just a clumsy lie to cover up a bald faced lie. Nothing new, SOP, same different day.

How is it a “lie” to say, in response to a court request that you document all the deletions and edits you’ve made on your thousands of SM posts,

1. This request is overly broad and too burdensome, and
2. I “generally” don’t edit or delete, except when I do edit or delete, that is, when I have posted in error.

We all know she edits and deletes. If you don’t want to produce all that stuff, what would have said (as LK or her lawyer)?

[MHM]

@ekat

@MHM

Superstar witness! Lol

And now I’m rethinking watching him again in the civil trial. Who knows what he might blurt out?

True.

But I don’t know if I need to watch him live.

For me, there are a lot of sports that are worth watching in highlight form, rather than slogging through the whole thing. I think the Mustache could be the same.

I don’t need to sit through his four hour testimony instead of catching the replay of the relevant two minutes later. Lol.

[ekat]

@Sdel

That could not have gone unnoticed by the jury

I’m sure it didn’t. And it was clearly very satisfying for Mr B and team.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

The answer was probably written by her lawyer.

Meh. You’re giving way too much credit here. It was just a clumsy lie to cover up a bald faced lie. Nothing new, SOP, same different day.

How is it a “lie” to say, in response to a court request that you document all the deletions and edits you’ve made on your thousands of SM posts,

1. This request is overly broad and too burdensome, and
2. I “generally” don’t edit or delete, except when I do edit or delete, that is, when I have posted in error.

We all know she edits and deletes. If you don’t want to produce all that stuff, what would have said (as LK or her lawyer)?

What does the part of the sentence that I underline mean to you @CurrentlyHorseless?

[MHM]

@ekat

@Sdel

That could not have gone unnoticed by the jury

I’m sure it didn’t. And it was clearly very satisfying for Mr B and team.

That was actually super weird, wasn’t it? Why do you suppose the judge did that?

[ekat]

@MHM

I don’t need to sit through his four hour testimony instead of catching the replay of the relevant two minutes later. Lol

Lol, very true!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@RND

@BigMama1

And I kind of hoped you would read the responses to your post and realize how absurd you sound defending LK and accusing people of “trashing” her by simply discussing the things she has said and done.

I guess we are both disappointed, but only one

Your assertion that I defend LK is completely untrue, and you are incredibly lazy to accuse me of that when all you have to do is search my posts to see the truth. I am capable of acknowledging that LK is a terrible person while at the same time being able to understand how awful it is that a mob of people who don’t even know her are making up stories about her (yes, that’s what you are doing) on an online forum on which she is not even able to defend herself. I don’t disagree with the Moderators’ decision to ban LK, but they should have shut down all discussion about her at the same time. Allowing all of you to gossip and speculate about her and her family for the last two and a half years was bad enough; allowing the gossip and speculation to continue after banning her is absolutely disgusting.

Oh boo hoo. This is what happens what someone like LK decides to play games and abuse people. Those people then in turn don’t think highly of that abuser and they join together to discuss the matter.

You then cannot fault those same people for reacting like this. You should expect it. It’s the rules of society the rest of us have learned to live by and obey and the fact that LK didn’t abide by the rules of society means she must then have to deal with the repercussions.

Say hello to the repercussions.

Had she not opted to lie repeatedly on this forum she could have been here herself. But once again the norms of the culture here were something she was not concerned with. She sought to dominate and ridicule instead. Often by lying. Then she stated in open court that she lies which violated the terms here.

Again, no one else’s fault but her own.

So then you in all your righteous indignation decide that we too should be punished by not being permitted to discuss the very same matter being discussed on social media AROUND THE WORLD.

The fault is hers alone and no, she by right is the one suffering consequences of her own words, actions and deeds.

So in the words of wisdom taught to us as children… tough noogies.

There has been lies said by posters about her as well and baiting-a whole lot of baiting. In fact, she didn’t start trouble with you, you did. She just went too far responding. But then, you continued it. Either one of you could have walked away but when you saw it provoked her, you doubled down and continue to do so even now that she is banned.

I never threatened her. I wrote that I remembered seeing a post of hers. She then deluged me with threatening PMs. Several of them. She attempted to demean me. I posted them. Then others spoke of their threatening, haraasing, coercive PMs.

LK has been wrong in her behavior here. She was banned for lying. The fault is all hers and hers alone.

Your continued defense of her does not paint you in a good light.

I should have walked away you say? NEVER.

No matter how tough the situation nor aggressive the opponent I do not walk away. Never have, never will.

You did not write “I think I remember a post in which you stated you owned two Rugers”,

You wrote “LK posted on FB that she owned Rugers” at the time it was known the gun involved was a Ruger, and it was not clear who owned it.

You had multiple occasions in which you could have said, ‘Oh, I thought you said Ruger, but maybe I misremembered.’, but you did nothing but continue to insist you had evidence “in a vault”.

That she posted on FB that she owned Rugers was not true. You continued to fling around the untruth after she corrected you. You refused to admit you might have misremembered.

You are outraged that she threatened to sue you for libel, but only now, after 2.5 years have phrased it as “I remember .,”

That last bolded phrase — that’s the stupid, arrogant mantra that both LK and MB had that led to the tragedy.

I SAW A POST BY LAUREN KANAREK WHICH STATED SHE HAD TWO GUNS AND SHE NAMED ONE A RUGER.

There, is that clear enough for you?

Oh BTW I have proof that multiple people saw the same post.

Here is one such post. I have others. I affirm that this person is not me.

Let’s see the screen shot of LKs post about the Ruger. Go ahead and subpoena FB if you need to.

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

That was the biggest head scratcher of the whole trial….

The prosecution/judge literally spent the whole trial keeping all that stuff out……and just sat there grinning away while Stache went on about it all….

That could not have gone unnoticed by the jury…

I sort of enjoyed his testimony, as I learned a lot about the field of psychology (also learned a lot from Dr. Simring and Dr. Hasson). And since Schlesinger was a prosecution witness, Schellhorn (and Taylor) let him go on and on about stuff, so every once in a while he would say something that made me go, “What? Really?” I wish I had taken notes during those “Aha” moments, because he ended up doing more to help the defense than the State. I really wondered if the jury was going to catch on, and apparently they did.

[ekat]

@MHM

Why do you suppose the judge did that?

He fell asleep during the qualifications?

Seriously, the Prosecution opened the door and Stache ran right on through. The judge has no obligation to stop the state from shooting themselves in the foot.

When Mr B was trying to get that info out there, he was doing it on cross, and his questions were beyond the scope of direct, among other things.

The bigger question is why Mr S allowed his witness to open those doors.

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

How is it a “lie” to say, in response to a court request that you document all the deletions and edits you’ve made on your thousands of SM posts,

1. This request is overly broad and too burdensome, and
2. I “generally” don’t edit or delete, except when I do edit or delete , that is, when I have posted in error.

We all know she edits and deletes. If you don’t want to produce all that stuff, what would have said (as LK or her lawyer)?

I generally do not delete or edit content - nowhere near the extent or even a fraction of how often LK does. I generally DO edit typos. I know how I would answer that question if it were me and it would be a lot more truthful than how she did.

Knowing that LK DOES often delete and edit and that she could give a toss about grammar, capitalization, typos, etc given her posting style and the myriad typos and bad capitalization and the like - do you honestly believe the way she answered that question with honesty? I sure don’t.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

The judge has no obligation to stop the state from shooting themselves in the foot.

Obligation, no. But I am surprised that he did not object. He objected at other times when the state did not.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you don’t want to produce all that stuff, what would have said (as LK or her lawyer)?

Nothing. When you don’t produce stuff they go in and take it. Being evasive just gives them the ammunition to do so.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

Seriously, the Prosecution opened the door and Stache ran right on through. The judge has no obligation to stop the state from shooting themselves in the foot.

When Mr B was trying to get that info out there, he was doing it on cross, and his questions were beyond the scope of direct, among other things.

The bigger question is why Mr S allowed his witness to open those doors.

Schellhorn seemed so focused on getting Schlessinger to declare that MB was malingering and that he was not insane at the time of the shooting, that I am not even sure he was aware that Dr. Stache was opening other doors…

Perhaps by then, he was so over it that his brain was starting to glaze over.

[DownYonder]

Mr. B also seemed to enjoy listening to Dr. Stache “opening doors.”

His expression during that testimony was priceless!

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

No one needs it for the civil trial. If LK sues KM for libel (I don’t think she will), KM would need it.

KM never backs down, even if saying “It’s possible I misremembered the make of gun in a FB post” would avoid threats of s libel suit.

Should LK ever sue KM, then KM would have grounds to subpoena FB to get the complete record (deleted and all). So no, LK probably won’t ever sue KM over it.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Obligation, no. But I am surprised that he did not object. He objected at other times when the state did not.

Yes, but different situations. He objected to fairly objectionable questions by Mr B, even when the state did not. That’s his right as a judge, and Mr B seriously toed the line on some of his questions.

Different rules apply on direct exam, especially with an expert witness. Judge T made sure he repeated to the jury that all that “hearsay” testimony wasn’t to prove the truth of the matter, it’s what the experts were saying affected MB’s state of mind.

So, you have Dr Simring testify that yep, LK launched a campaign of terror and wow did it work (I AM SUMMARIZING HERE FOR GENERALITY AND ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES)

Then Dr Hasson comes along and says, Holy Moly LK launched a campaign, boy did it work and no, he’s not feigning amnesia.

State brings on Stache to rebut those two. The only way he could rebut was to say, Everyone was afraid, she wasn’t just terrorizing him. It was a key part of the State’s case, and in direct rebuttal to the defense witnesses. So Mr S went there. It probably wasn’t wise, but it was allowed by the rules of evidence, unlike some of the things Mr B tried to pull off. And the Stache followed him right through.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@RND

@BigMama1

And I kind of hoped you would read the responses to your post and realize how absurd you sound defending LK and accusing people of “trashing” her by simply discussing the things she has said and done.

I guess we are both disappointed, but only one

Your assertion that I defend LK is completely untrue, and you are incredibly lazy to accuse me of that when all you have to do is search my posts to see the truth. I am capable of acknowledging that LK is a terrible person while at the same time being able to understand how awful it is that a mob of people who don’t even know her are making up stories about her (yes, that’s what you are doing) on an online forum on which she is not even able to defend herself. I don’t disagree with the Moderators’ decision to ban LK, but they should have shut down all discussion about her at the same time. Allowing all of you to gossip and speculate about her and her family for the last two and a half years was bad enough; allowing the gossip and speculation to continue after banning her is absolutely disgusting.

Oh boo hoo. This is what happens what someone like LK decides to play games and abuse people. Those people then in turn don’t think highly of that abuser and they join together to discuss the matter.

You then cannot fault those same people for reacting like this. You should expect it. It’s the rules of society the rest of us have learned to live by and obey and the fact that LK didn’t abide by the rules of society means she must then have to deal with the repercussions.

Say hello to the repercussions.

Had she not opted to lie repeatedly on this forum she could have been here herself. But once again the norms of the culture here were something she was not concerned with. She sought to dominate and ridicule instead. Often by lying. Then she stated in open court that she lies which violated the terms here.

Again, no one else’s fault but her own.

So then you in all your righteous indignation decide that we too should be punished by not being permitted to discuss the very same matter being discussed on social media AROUND THE WORLD.

The fault is hers alone and no, she by right is the one suffering consequences of her own words, actions and deeds.

So in the words of wisdom taught to us as children… tough noogies.

There has been lies said by posters about her as well and baiting-a whole lot of baiting. In fact, she didn’t start trouble with you, you did. She just went too far responding. But then, you continued it. Either one of you could have walked away but when you saw it provoked her, you doubled down and continue to do so even now that she is banned.

I never threatened her. I wrote that I remembered seeing a post of hers. She then deluged me with threatening PMs. Several of them. She attempted to demean me. I posted them. Then others spoke of their threatening, haraasing, coercive PMs.

LK has been wrong in her behavior here. She was banned for lying. The fault is all hers and hers alone.

Your continued defense of her does not paint you in a good light.

I should have walked away you say? NEVER.

No matter how tough the situation nor aggressive the opponent I do not walk away. Never have, never will.

You did not write “I think I remember a post in which you stated you owned two Rugers”,

You wrote “LK posted on FB that she owned Rugers” at the time it was known the gun involved was a Ruger, and it was not clear who owned it.

You had multiple occasions in which you could have said, ‘Oh, I thought you said Ruger, but maybe I misremembered.’, but you did nothing but continue to insist you had evidence “in a vault”.

That she posted on FB that she owned Rugers was not true. You continued to fling around the untruth after she corrected you. You refused to admit you might have misremembered.

You are outraged that she threatened to sue you for libel, but only now, after 2.5 years have phrased it as “I remember .,”

That last bolded phrase — that’s the stupid, arrogant mantra that both LK and MB had that led to the tragedy.

I SAW A POST BY LAUREN KANAREK WHICH STATED SHE HAD TWO GUNS AND SHE NAMED ONE A RUGER.

There, is that clear enough for you?

Oh BTW I have proof that multiple people saw the same post.

Here is one such post. I have others. I affirm that this person is not me.

Let’s see the screen shot of LKs post about the Ruger. Go ahead and subpoena FB if you need to.

What a very odd thing to say. Issuing a challenge to subpoena FB where there is no court matter to attach it to?

Plus I have no need to prove a darn thing to YOU. But it was nice to reassure any confused or misled reader that my word is true. Also true, I have more screenshots.

So yes, others remember what I do and they also state the post was deleted.

But hey, you do you.