Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[trubandloki]

@Omgitsme

My quote function only seems to work sporadically so I had to c/p.

My quote function keeps giving me multiple copies of the quote, that I do not see until I post. I then have to go back and delete the extra copies of the quote.
I am not sure which is better, not working or working overtime.

Edit to add - I think I like this emoji. I will have to find more places to use it.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

If it was a standard waiver, that raises the question of why she had not been required to sign one earlier.

Do we know for a fact that she was never asked to sign a waiver?

No, at least I don’t know.

He certainly could have refused to let her into the facility in April 2019 if she refused to sign a waiver. If he didn’t require the waiver as a condition of entry, I wonder what the consequence of her refusing to sign one in August would be. Could he say, on August 3 or whatever, you must vacate, or would having allowed her for months without the waiver mean he still needed to give her 30 days notice to leave?

I just don’t see the purpose of asking her to sign a waiver in the first week of August if he was already determined to get her out. I also don’t see why she would refuse to sign a garden variety waiver. That’s why I’m still curious as to what was on that piece of paper.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

My quote function keeps giving me multiple copies of the quote, that I do not see until I post. I then have to go back and delete the extra copies of the quote.
I am not sure which is better, not working or working overtime.

Mine does the same thing sometimes, although I have not figured out a pattern to it. I’m glad to know I’m not the only one. Lol.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Omgitsme

My quote function only seems to work sporadically so I had to c/p.
“ Reminder: The jury did not return a plain NG verdict on attempted murder of LK, so the prosecutor did not need the recordings to establish that MB shot her.”
Actually if those recordings did in fact have MB discussing her murder, they would have found their way into the trial. They would have proved he had planned the murder, with accomplices (per LK posts) and thus the insanity aspect would have been taken off the table.

The prosecutor said that for attempted murder, it was not necessary to establish premeditation; a sudden impulse to attack with deadly force was enough. So they did not need audio recordings of a “murder plot”.

If he was judged to be insane at the time of the shooting, I don’t see how any audio tapes from the previous days would “take that off the table”.

[DownYonder]

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@Scribbler

@erinmeri

@Danvers

everyone signs a waiver at a barn in which they ride - holding harmless the owner/trainer for injuries on or off horse back - this is normal… it states Horesback Riding is DANGEROUS. this is NORMAL
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Precisely! And in NJ the state law protects even further, so LK believed that the signs posted at LITERALLY EVERY NJ BARN rendered those standard, normal agreements moot. Then she tried to misconstrue those normal agreements to imply she was signing her own death warrant, or whatever. It’s ludicrous.

LK was on an admitted rampage to be obstructive and has demonstrated paranoid tendencies. She’s also a drama queen who lies. Does she believe these things when she says them? Who knows. Very little about LK makes sense.

However, in real time many of us, correctly it seems, believed this paperwork to be the standard release. LK adamantly denied it.

And it makes me wonder if she has signed such a waiver at the new barn in FL. If not, is it because she believes it will give the BO permission to murder her?

[DownYonder]

@Scribbler

…its exactly the kind of thing LK would think was a great scheme. Duck signing an annual waiver or disappear her existing waiver, then fake a riding injury to get an insurance settlement. It’s not that easy and I doubt she could pull it off. But it’s exactly the kind of thing she’d go around bragging and threatening to do. Hence blowing up when she’s required to sign a new waiver. All that talk about insurance fraud had to be projecting something.

Good point! I had not considered that possibility, but given her predilection for behavior not becoming to a “good citizen” of society, it wouldn’t surprise me.

[smoofox]

Trying to catch up here…

@ekat

I’ve worked with cops, I’ve had friends in LE, etc and I have never known one to say something like “dumbest murder planner”, especially in that context. Every time I read it, that phrase bugs me.

That term right there jumps out as a “cool story, bro.”

As far as LK deleting posts goes - sometimes it was done so quickly or in the midst of a lengthy exchange - that why would people think it was even necessary to do a screen capture? No one knew at the time that every word and syllable might matter to some. I was actually catching up on one of the older threads late at night quite a while ago (pre-trial) and reading a LK post (sorry, I do not have an amazing photographic memory or total recall of what it was about - as some insist we must all have All The Time) when it suddenly changed right in front of my eyes and became about half as long and no doubt a lot of the meaning had shifted as well. As I continued through that section, it was obvious that entire posts had also disappeared as I was following along… #shrug

Silly me. I did not think that I should have raced through the threads and screen shot anything - because many months later we would be told that if there were no screen shots pertaining to a specific item, then said post must not have existed. I do not have any screen shots of anything - and I never even thought of doing that.

@RND

1. To be clear, I don’t know LK or anyone close or even not close to her personally. My opinions about her are based solely on what I have read here since MB shot her in August 2019. LK seems to be a seriously flawed human being who doesn’t seem to be interested in getting along with most people; instead, she seems to get a lot of satisfaction out of making people miserable. And she is very successful at that; look at how much attention all of you give her here 24 hours a day, seven days a week because you hate her, even though most of you don’t even know her.

Well, as I have said perviously - I do not hate her. I would actually have to know her in order to work up to anything that strong. I see her as seriously flawed - as you do. Every post you make lecturing others about how they should be posting - or not posting at all - only contributes to this thread that you find so problematical.

2. If you don’t understand how horrific you all are for spending all day, every day here making up scenarios to fill in the blanks that you don’t know because the facts haven’t been made public, I don’t think there is anything I can do to help you understand. The hate that is generated by people who don’t even know LK is hugely disturbing. One of you constantly tells the people who aren’t in love with MB and his lawyer to “let it go” using snowflakes - that’s just so incredibly messed up. She doesn’t even recognize that she’s the one who needs to let it go and get a life.

Hmmm. I would hope that that first sentence that mentions ALL would also apply to the posters you approve of who excel at making up scenarios and fixating on minutiae, worry at it like a pit bull and circle back to the same “pet” complaints/theories over and over again. But I suspect they get a pass… when they are contributing endless posts to something that you insist is so horrific. I do “understand”, thanks - and see the irony and hypocrisy here.

And voila!! - once again (predictably), we are back to that tiresome MB fangirls blanket accusation - no matter that a) it is not true for 90% of us posting occasionally and b) has been beaten to death endlessly.

So FTR, I am not a fan of MB. I also do not hate LK. I do tire of the imperious DAISANAID posts. I have followed along with this case from the beginning as if it was an episode of Dateline or 20/20 or 48 Hours. I do check in on these threads every day if possible - and sometimes (GASP) more than once. I might even post - unacceptable, I know! I also check out other threads throughout the forum - and even ones about horses. Seeing as I live on and work on a farm and do horses 24/7 and all…

If these threads offend some posters, then why sail in and pour gasoline on them - only to complain about the bigger flames?

[Omgitsme]

If he was plotting murder with other people, either all of them were insane or none of them were.
It was my understanding that the recordings were not from the day before the shooting, but in the weeks leading up to it.
If the recordings were a murder plot, the state might have gone for first degree attempted murder as such tapes would expose premeditation.

[DownYonder]

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@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

If it was a standard waiver, that raises the question of why she had not been required to sign one earlier.
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Do we know for a fact that she was never asked to sign a waiver?

No, at least I don’t know.

He certainly could have refused to let her into the facility in April 2019 if she refused to sign a waiver. If he didn’t require the waiver as a condition of entry, I wonder what the consequence of her refusing to sign one in August would be. Could he say, on August 3 or whatever, you must vacate, or would having allowed her for months without the waiver mean he still needed to give her 30 days notice to leave?

I just don’t see the purpose of asking her to sign a waiver in the first week of August if he was already determined to get her out. I also don’t see why she would refuse to sign a garden variety waiver. That’s why I’m still curious as to what was on that piece of paper.

“He certainly could have refused to let her into the facility in April 2019 if she refused to sign a waiver.”
Get real. She would have simply flounced her way in anyway and announced, “Here I am. What are you going to do about it?”

And didn’t she post that she complained (was it to the DA’s office?) that he (MB) had told her she wasn’t allowed in the barn anymore? And the person in the DA’s office said, “He can’t do that.”

Nope, no way Ms. Lollipop would have meekly agreed to go elsewhere if he had tried to tell her in April she wasn’t welcome there.

As for why he asked for the waiver in August - perhaps his attorney advised him to get the waiver, knowing that since she wasn’t going to go willingly, it might take some time (i.e., 30 days, etc.) to get her out. (And God knows what kind of scheme she could have cooked up in that timeframe…)

[erinmeri]

Thanks @FitzE, @MorganSercu, @trubandloki and others for sticking up for me. The visciousness quite shocking… and I must admit, did give me anxiety. I need to activate my own internal “ignore” function moving forward. I don’t use the board’s ignore, because I enjoy hearing from all sides in all things. It helps me understand the world.

As for my mental health, yes, I have been open about suffering from anxiety and depression. And I have been honest about how others can exacerbate existing issues. Seems a bit odd that some people like to weaponize that. To each their own… Luckily I am in a good place now and I get to go ride my horse today and rid myself of any lingering bad juju!

Have a good day!

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The one particular post I was referring to was the first Shelly one. Thanks for finding it. It is inarticulate and muddled, and does not establish that she heard the audios.

I agree the second Shelly post, which I had not seen before, does clearly assert that she’s heard the audios.

I want to call this out as well. The screenshot that this is referring to is my screenshot. It is all one block, so both claims about the recordings are there; if you saw one, but not the other, then you were not looking very hard.

I have posted it several times over the threads.

[lazaret]

Interesting. The ignore feature seems to be working selectively.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Omgitsme

My quote function only seems to work sporadically so I had to c/p.
“ Reminder: The jury did not return a plain NG verdict on attempted murder of LK, so the prosecutor did not need the recordings to establish that MB shot her.”
Actually if those recordings did in fact have MB discussing her murder, they would have found their way into the trial. They would have proved he had planned the murder, with accomplices (per LK posts) and thus the insanity aspect would have been taken off the table.

The prosecutor said that for attempted murder, it was not necessary to establish premeditation; a sudden impulse to attack with deadly force was enough. So they did not need audio recordings of a “murder plot”.

If he was judged to be insane at the time of the shooting, I don’t see how any audio tapes from the previous days would “take that off the table”.

A recording may have convinced jurors of intent and as it turned out they did not see intent. Intent isn’t necessary for premeditated but it sure as heck would have shown a lack of sudden insanity.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

Thanks @FitzE, @MorganSercu, @trubandloki and others for sticking up for me. The visciousness quite shocking… and I must admit, did give me anxiety. I need to activate my own internal “ignore” function moving forward. I don’t use the board’s ignore, because I enjoy hearing from all sides in all things. It helps me understand the world.

As for my mental health, yes, I have been open about suffering from anxiety and depression. And I have been honest about how others can exacerbate existing issues. Seems a bit odd that some people like to weaponize that. To each their own… Luckily I am in a good place now and I get to go ride my horse today and rid myself of any lingering bad juju!

Have a good day!

Depression is really quite common, especially among women. Even if an anonymous poster has not “shared”
their personal history on a public BB, addressing another poster with mockery, ascribing motives to them, and insulting their intelligence may well land on a person with challenges as significant as your own.

[Graymaresrule]

Hey! I thought we were supposed to be bashing LK, not each other. Get with the program!

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I remain skeptical unless proof is provided. Doesn’t everybody?

Well, yeah. But skeptical of LK and RG.
In the vein of, innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The nonsense and obfuscation by LK and RG is doubt.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I just disagree… the untenuous, explosive situation that escalated during the summer of 2019 was 100% her fault.

Then, what percentage is her fault, in your opinion?

[Knights_Mom]

If there’s a team I’ll be on it only if there’s really cool T shirts.

[ohnoO]

Speaking of conspiracy theories……remember when we (general) went on about RG putting Rosie in the house after the shooting?

When I went back and watched some of RG’s testimony, Mr.Schellhorn asked him several questions about that and also the second (I think) cop on the scene who was asked point blank if RG was ever out of his sight while Rosie was put in the house. His answer was…no.

Would this have been something the prosecution thought up themselves to clear up, or are they possibly reading here?

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If it was a standard waiver, that raises the question of why she had not been required to sign one earlier

I believe it was for the mystery friend who she wanted to be allowed to ride her horses in SGF property.

Maybe the barn requires a new one each year?
Maybe the one they had on file for her went missing?*
Maybe her behavior suggested getting a new one, signed recently, would be prudent?
Why doesn’t change what it is.

• she had, recently, crowed about gaining access to the office…