That’s very possible as I’m skimming this forum during meetings, which is quite terrible and I should stop but I can’t look away
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As a Canadian my impression of American civil lawsuits is that the evidence can extend very widely, nothing is off the table. Juries will vote on emotion. Lawsuits can be quite crazy and full of narcissistic behavior and accusations. . Also very often they end up with an undisclosed negotiated settlement to avoid publicity.
Launching a full civil suit is a huge undertaking. Threatening to do so is however almost cost free and is part of the arsenal of every grifter.
I made the acquaintance once of a horse owner who later turned ought to be a nightmare. She was bright enough to launch and file her own suits for things like copyright infringement etc and crazy enough to weaponize it. She didn’t win but she made her victims spend money they didn’t have on legal advice.
I heard about this second hand years later. I’d met her looking for a lease years previous, got the craycray vibes from her, and walked away.
Anyhow in the OJ Simpson case there was widespread public sentiment he was guilty and jurors on the civil trial knew that. Things are different for LK here.
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IANAL, but with both libel and slander, you have to be able to prove tangible monetary loss related to the libel and slander.
Barisone would have to prove that he lost clients, students and boarders because of LK’s written and spoken malicious untruths.
I don’t have any doubt that’s true, but it’s very, very, very hard to prove in court. I believe the standard is 1.) the defendant KNEW it was untrue (reporters who print something a reliable source told them are not guilty of libel) 2.) their intent was malicious (saying I think you’re ugly and your mother dresses you funny doesn’t met the standard of malice) and 3.) actual monetary loss.
Please see the wonderful movie Absence of Malice for a primer on this issue.
Here’s another place it gets tricky - if a boarder pulled horses from the barn because LK was a whack a doo and they didn’t want to be around her, Barisone probably can’t collect for that. If he can prove that the left as a direct result of something untrue and malicious LK told him, then he probably can.
Away from the libel and slander, I think he can claim her harassment and behavior around the barn amount to tortious interference in his business, and list monetary losses for boarders/students, but again, IANAL.
The real loss to him is the loss of income for the past 2 and 1/2 years. I truly don’t know if he can claim damages against the Kanareks for that since his own actions contributed to that.
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Don’t bring Trump into it 'cause then I’ll have to go full blown “Karen” on you 
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It’s sort of interesting that this should happen in the discipline that has such uniformly standardized scores so that it would be easy to pull up those numbers for comparison.
It would be much harder to make that argument so black and white in practically any other horse sport.
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Does RC have a cross complaint against MB?
MB is a partner in SGF, but that didn’t stop the LLC from suing him.
Can we please just not mention that name? At all.
There’s already plenty of contention on the thread without that.
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Right? He can demonstrate an actual and substantial loss of income. How any of this is going to play out in court or settlement is anyone’s guess, but I’m not holding my breath that the plaintiff (I need a new acronym for her as I will not use her name in a searchable manner again) is going to come forward with any “bombshell” information. Since we were all so blown away by the information at the trial - that she told all of us over and over again over the last two years. 
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Well to be fair, there were plenty of bombshells. They just did not necessarily explode in the direction she expected.
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Has anyone who boards at LK’s present farm weighed in on these threads? Is it Paradyme Farm?
Not as far as I can tell.
And if I were in that situation, I would be keeping an extremely low profile at this point in the proceedings.
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The bolded; LK is not threatening a civil suit. It was filed in the fall of 2019.
FYI…I didn’t mention it here first…I simply told the person NOT to bring THAT NAME into this…period!
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They all cross claimed each other I think. I know the LLC basically claims indemnity….aka, they aren’t a money source because the contracts with are with MB Dressage and they have indemnity clauses…
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Remember though, it’s much cheaper and easier to file lawsuits when daddy has plenty of lawyer buddies.
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I am sure a lot of the things that were not permitted in the criminal case will be fair game in the civil trial. I can’t imagine this will work well for you-know-who
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I did not state that those would not be in contention. But you can’t sue for income you wouldn’t have had anyhow.
You seem to be salivating over the idea that the Kanawrecks may be able to hurt MB further.
Curious, that.
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FYI - there is a current events section of these forums. That’s where you can discuss/debate such things.
The COTH forums, and posters here, are a lively, intelligent, and interesting bunch. Be aware though, that politically they lean overwhelmingly in one direction. Passionately so. In the interest of continuing productive discussions relevant to central topics… I strongly advise NOT drifting into anything political on a thread that is not part of the current events forum. It will derail the thread and agitate the majority of posters.
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I’m aware of that.
Lots of people go south for the winter and leave the heat on. If it went out through no fault of MB’s then it wouldn’t be negligence.
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A question about the civil case. How does that get started up again? It was put on hold because of the criminal case. What do they (either side) have to do to make it start up again?
