Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

As far as the NYT goes…

I am going to double back to certain points I have made previously in the many threads about this case. Society has an issue right now in terms of looking at many many things in a very binary way.

And folks get stuck there. And have an incredibly hard time seeing beyond rigid binary social concepts.

In this case, a woman was shot. And that does indeed make her a shooting victim. And she claimed she was bullied previous to the shooting. The alleged perpetrator is a very tall, white male. Who participates at a high level in the sport of dressage (which creates the impression of great privilege). And this man is well connected to leadership of the governing body of the sport.

For some people… they couldn’t get beyond that set of facts. Binary thinking kicked in, and they refused to see the many other layers of this case, and dig deeper.

I think the very first NYT article was most DEFINITELY an example of that thinking. I find it disappointing… the reporter did good work covering the Jimmy Williams and George Morris stories. But this one… well… she ran with one narrative. And didn’t seem to dig at all.

I think this second article involves the NYT SLIGHTLY backing away from their prior reporting. But still… not a deep dive on the real issues involved in this trial.

Sadly, there are still many people engaging in this sort of binary thinking in the comments on the COTH article on their Facebook page. They haven’t listened to the trial. They don’t really understand the facts of the case. But she’s a female shooting victim who said she was being bullied. He’s a big white male, who is privileged, and who had a gun. Case closed… no more thinking or analysis required.

Last thing. This case gives me more faith in our American system of justice. And in my fellow human beings. Many folks on these forums took time to really analyze and try and understand the facts of this case. Many decided to re-evaluate their initial reactions, after learning more about the backstory and the different people involved in the case. And of course, a trial eventually took place, and though it was frustrating to sit through and realize how limited the rules of evidence are sometimes… the jury did NOT engage in binary thinking. They clearly looked at all that was presented to them, and understood the entire situation involved complex human beings, as well as a complex area of law. And the jury arrived at what seems to me like a just verdict.

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Eh, I dunno.

Seems one side has been verbose in their nastiness, and there’s evidence for days to show what they had been up to.
I mean, just the whole recording the people in the barn, and the claim that the recording would show a plot to kill… Fell flat on its face.

I hope that the K clan will be buried under a mountain of evidence made of her SM nonsense, bullying and harassment that really is irrefutable.

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You’d think a good reporter might look at that previous article, but through a newly cleaned lens of what was learned at the trial. :woman_shrugging:

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What have you got against heathens?

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I totally hope you are right @Angela_Freda - and that she does get buried under the weight of her own nonsense.

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Yes, exactly.

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Speaking of the article. Is this last part correct? Does the judge determine when MB is ready to be released? I thought that was up to the mental health professionals who would be treating him. Or does the judge just have to sign off on their decision?

“When the jury foreman read the verdict, Barisone fell into his lawyer’s arms. Barisone was immediately transferred to a mental health facility for evaluation. An insanity disposition hearing is scheduled for May 17, when Judge Stephen Taylor will determine whether Barisone needs further treatment or can be released.“

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OK, now I’m wondering who is going to play the various parts in the movie. :thinking:

For some reason I’m thinking of Liam Neeson as MB, even though he’s not quite the right age. Or nationality. And I have no idea if he’s ever touched a horse. But I think he might be about the right height, anyway. Lol.

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Excellent points, both as related to this case and the wider problem of binary thinking.

Real life is seldom black and white, it’s usually a bunch of messy overlapping gray areas, but for some reason humans have difficulty processing that. We, and by “we” I mean humans all over the political spectrum in all walks of life, seem to want to believe that things or people are either good or bad, right or wrong, innocent or guilty. And most of the time, and especially in this case, it’s not nearly that simple.

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It’s definitely a problem that spans the full scope of the political spectrum. People on the right and the left have issues that they get profoundly “locked into” when talking about them.

But the thing is, this case wasn’t a hypothetical discussion about broader societal issues. It was a criminal case involving two real life human beings. Sometimes broader theories about societal trends don’t apply to specific situations. But the people locked into their binary thinking? They can’t or won’t see that, when it comes to this case. They are so incredibly locked in to their view… they can’t see the actual facts of this particular case involving these two, individual, human beings.

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He’s surely not a danger to society…to himself possibly, but he WILL get through this with the help of those who truly love him…I’m sure of that. :slight_smile:

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My FAV! Would be a good choice :slight_smile:

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The judge has to sign off on it.

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I’ve been looking up what happens with NGRI.

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The judge’s statement after the verdict was that the professional staff at the Ann Klein center would make a (not “the”) determination and referred to 2c:4-8a

which is… https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2015/title-2c/section-2c-4-8

and says “If the court finds…”. IANAL but it sounds like the judge will make the decision.

I don’t know if it is customary that the judge just accepts whatever they say.

His name will likely be added here.

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Of course you were.

I used to wear panty hose and think “If I’m careful enough, they won’t rip.”

No one knows for sure WHEN MB will get out, but he will get out so be prepared to accept that reality.

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Here is some more.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/crime/trial/faqs.html

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I know you especially will enjoy articles about the law.

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Here’s the NJ statute:

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2015/title-2c/section-2c-4-8

And, a lot of procedure came about as a result of this case (previously linked by KarenK)

Bottom line, the docs make their findings and present to the court. The State can present an argument for why further confinement and/or treatment is necessary and the court then gets to rule on it.

From a legal perspective it will be interesting to follow, and I’m a little bummed the hearings will be closed. From a humane perspective, I hope MB’s docs can successfully get him the help he needs and they along with MB’s attorneys will be able to make a compelling argument for his release.

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