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Albatross?[/QUOTE]
Better than “assless chaps.”
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Albatross?[/QUOTE]
The Norwegian Blue???
From Baucher to albatross…
finally going in the right direction
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finally going in the right direction[/QUOTE]
I think Master Sanders would have preferred eagles.
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Here is Master Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm6kIMXTKC8[/QUOTE]
OUch!!! So much for classsical!
Yeah, we’ve seen that one before. Has anyone seen the guy RIDE? I’m thinking there’s a reason he was so coy about displaying his riding skilz.
Looove the sparkly coat. Looks so professional.
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Y Has anyone seen the guy RIDE? I’m thinking there’s a reason he was so coy about displaying his riding skilz.[/QUOTE] It could be that he hasn’t ridden since his youth and has no video. Maybe Don Raphael could check him out, since they both live in Ca.
He sells DVD’s on his website.
He could lift an excerpt from one of those. You know, like a movie trailer. Just enough to make folks want to see more and buy the DVD.
Professionals do it all the time.
I have. I am of the opinion that Nuno was the last horse trainer ever who should be refered to as Master. In our new century this title should be reserved for people who cure cancer, land jets on rivers, etc.
the only ones calling him master on this board are those that are making fun of him.
and, i believe he said his website was put together by a client - hence some of the comments… also i believe he does have that designation in other non horse related disciplines… so i could see how his clients might use the term …
what i really think is that those that have never spent time watching someone ride/train should not be able to come on boards and attempt to ruin reputations. this is really irresponsible and morally pretty reprehensible…
especially because those that are doing their best in this regard have never posted videos of themselves …
i hope the new defamation cases hitting the US courts will put a stop to some of this bitter behavior (and listen up anon people - you are findable and the courts are going looking when needed)
and before anyone calls me a hypocrite, there is a difference between talking about the training method and attacking the persons involved.
ps, for those interested there is a super discussion going on the baucher method on a different board… lots and lots of super info and none of the snark! 
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OUch!!! So much for classsical![/QUOTE]
again to repeat what clearly has been lost - this horse is a paso fino - so gaited. plus he was 26 years old and recovered from Lime which altered his flexibility and ability to use his body evenly and fully.
The difference, mbm, between Sanders and others is, he was clearly trying to drum up business for his online riding school. Remember the original title of his thread was “Baucher Trainer”, not “Method”, and his intent was clearly to create interest in his online school. Many people here questioned the validity of his claims and curriculum.
I just received a copy of Baucher’s book in the mail yesterday. My intention is to read it and be able to discuss it “first hand” with others. How many texts have you read?
I don’t think the treatment Sanders got here is any worse than some others have gotten here and elsewhere. If a client of his put up the website and inserted something inflammatory, like the term “Master”, wouldn’t he have the sense to ask said client to tone it down a little?
Anyone who makes claims regarding a product or service online or in print has to back up his/her claims. Hence, the requests (both polite and pointed) for proof of his “mastery”.
As Don RR noted, only a few are worthy of the title “Master”. We all know who Nuno Oliviera is. We know who Rancinet is, and Karl, and Balkenhol, and others. But who is Sanders, other than what he says he is? Where is the proof that he is worthy of the title?
I can tell you I’m an international concert pianist, but that doesn’t make it so!
He may indeed be an expert horseman and fine teacher, but I am not willing to fork over money and take the trouble to videotape myself and send it to him for critique. Not without knowing more about him. OTOH, I wouldn’t hesitate to send such videos to people like H. Gurney, A. Steiner, or C. de Kunffy. Why? Because I’ve had the chance to see them ride, teach, judge or all three. I know from both their reputations and through observation that they know their stuff.
If Sanders had been more forthcoming with examples of his mounted work, he might have gotten a warmer welcome to the board.
IMO, if I would come to a MB, and want to share with others how wonderful and misunderstood my training method is, I should really link a video that backs up what I say.
Ummm…I see dead people…
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what i really think is that those that have never spent time watching someone ride/train should not be able to come on boards and attempt to ruin reputations. this is really irresponsible and morally pretty reprehensible…[/QUOTE]
Nor should they be expected to help build reputations or offer blind support based on whatever unsubstantiated tales or titles are spun by the poster–it’s equally irresponsible.
Eagles had plenty of folks ribbing him about the title and at least one very direct request for information regarding his use of the title, and he blatantly avoided the opportunities to clarify. I’m obviously not the only one on here who thinks that reflects extremely poorly on him and does nothing to advance his credibility.
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IMO, if I would come to a MB, and want to share with others how wonderful and misunderstood my training method is, I should really link a video that backs up what I say.[/QUOTE]
well… how many people here on this BB post videos to back up their POV? not many and for good reason!
if folks were really interested in his riding etc they would be contacting him off line instead of harping on a BB …
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Nor should they be expected to help build reputations or offer blind support based on whatever unsubstantiated tales or titles are spun by the poster–it’s equally irresponsible.
Eagles had plenty of folks ribbing him about the title and at least one very direct request for information regarding his use of the title, and he blatantly avoided the opportunities to clarify. I’m obviously not the only one on here who thinks that reflects extremely poorly on him and does nothing to advance his credibility.[/QUOTE]
i totally agree with your first comment - which is why if anyone is interested in anyone’s riding they should go watch them ride enough times to be able to make an informed opinion. sometimes you can do that right away - sometimes i takes a lot longer and i know the longer you are able to access a person the more reliable the opinion will be.
as for your second… i believe that he addressed that by noting that the websites were created by clients - not him. also i believe he said that he holds various “titles” for disciplines other than riding. <shrug> so i dont think he initially avoided the question. and finally, while i dont know much about “academic riding” i do know that there are several folks training that are called “masters” since i havent seen any of them ride i cant comment on that.
but it becomes pretty obvious pretty quickly that certain questions are asked - not because the asker wants an answer - but because they want to bait so they can have more to attack.
in the end, who can blame the guy for not wanting to address personal questions?
I believe asking someone where they got their university degree (for instance) is not a “personal” question.
I like to know that my surgeon is really a “doctor”, not just somebody that the faculty of a school liked a lot and gave an honorary degree to.
As I stated earlier – if he did not agree with what his client presented in the website, he could have had that person change it. He was obviously involved in the making of the website – how else would the client have gotten that little video of him extolling the virtues of his school?
Really, mbm, your defense of him is puzzling. I don’t blame the guy for running away from here, he got well and truly roasted, but WHY did he think we’d all bow down to his superiority and accept all he had to say without question?
