Belmont thread

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If cocaine was legal, I’m sure Dutrow wouldn’t see a problem with it either.[/QUOTE]

OMG!!!:eek::eek: DickHertz finally said something that has some meaning and truth to it!! I don’t think Dutrow would waste perfectly good cocaine on a horse though, but would probably consume it himself!!:D:lol:

supersonic

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They’d have to press the Concorde back into action for that to happen… getting from Epsom to Belmont in 6 hours is a tall order.[/QUOTE]

Just wait a few years: Sheikh Rashid is buying a supersonic business jet

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From the Casino Drive camp on the constant smack talk from Dutrow:

Newsday 5-23-08

Dutrow was so flush with happiness that he giddily predicted that Casino Drive’s Japanese fans who thought Godzilla was dead would find out at the Belmont, “He’s not dead. He’s here!”

Crowed Dutrow, “We’ve got a monster!”

[b]“Godzilla?” Tada repeats now with a spark of recognition. He starts laughing and says, "He really said Godzilla? That’s funny, that’s very funny.

“It sounds like he likes talk, so let him talk. It’s OK. We will see the result.”[/b]

[Tada] is too unstintingly polite to say anything as bold or as colorful as Dutrow. “It is not Japanese way,” Tada explained.

Can he pull it off? Even Tada sounds like that would be a major, major coup an suggestively almost impossible …

But if Casino Drive were to win the Belmont, Tada says, “It would be like a Japanese team winning the major-league baseball championship.”

“[In Japan] training is much different from here. Here, more likely, horses work by themselves. But our trainer, Mr. Fujisawa, when it’s serious work, they always work two or three horses together to fight each other. Then the horse knows how to fight when a horse is inside or outside him in the race.”

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glimmerglass
On again, off again for Calvin Borel - he’s now being replaced on Denis of Cork with Robby Albarado

From http://www.greenbutgame.org/category/jocks/calvin-borel/ (interesting website, btw):[INDENT] Denis of Cork, owned by William Warren, worked five furlongs in 1:01 on Monday at Churchill Downs. In the Belmont, he will be ridden by Robby Albarado, replacing Calvin Borel, who rode Denis of Cork to a third-place finish in the Derby.

“I have no issue with Calvin - he has two wins on him and a third in the Kentucky Derby,” said David Carroll, who trains Denis of Cork. “Mr. Warren felt like Robby Albarado’s success at Belmont Park and winning nine Grade 1s there is the way he wanted to go. He wants to give Denis of Cork every opportunity and was very adamant that if Robby was available, then that was the way he wanted to go.”
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Thanks for passing that along, hitchinmygetalong!

Anyone else think that Mr. Warren is Denis of Cork’s worst enemy sometimes? The guy makes bad calls for this horse left and right… :no:

At least Denis of Cork is doing well in the lead up:

Denis of Cork galloped in his second trip to the track since a five-furlong work in 1:01 over a “fast” track May 19 at Churchill Downs. The David Carroll-trained son of Harlan’s Holiday had jogged May 21.

“He came out of the work beautifully, and we’re very happy with him,” Carroll said. “It just seems like he’s coming back into form, and we’re getting some nice weather, too. He just seems to be seems to be coming back to himself. We still have a couple of weeks, and I’m very happy with him.”

Who knows, maybe Calvin will get the chance to ride Casino Drive :wink: Although on that track his connections might want to even go with a ‘Jersey’ Joe Bravo if Prado isn’t available …

From this afternoon’s BloodHorse Q&A of Talkin Horses with their Sr. correspondent, Steve Haskin

Arrington, TN:
Q: Steve, Do you have any scoop about the rationale to take Calvin Borel off of Denis of Cork? Carroll said it was due to Albarado’s success at Belmont, nothing more, but something seems suspicious. Do you know of any dissatisfaction with Borel’s ride in the Derby? Thanks.

Haskin:
A: There is no rationale. It’s the owner’s decision, just as it was his and his advisors’ decision to skip the Rebel Stakes, which turned out to be a big blunder. There is no logical reason to take Borel off. He gave him a flawless ride in the Derby and helped him get third by saving ground from an outside post. There simply are still too many chefs in this stew.

From last week’s Talkin’ Horses

[B]Paris, KY:
Does racing have real problems or is it just a public relations issue that will go away with some slick advertising? Also, would a Triple Crown for Big Brown help us move on?

Squires:
I certainly don’t have anything against Kentucky-bred Big Brown, who is lovely and fast. But if a Triple Crown winner with a history of bad feet, slow opponents and from a barn with a history of drug positives can solve this problem, this is an industry not worth saving.[/B]

No text editor available so can’t quote or edit here…but somebody did say Bernardini won the Preakness a couple of years ago when Barbaro broke down then somebody said he didn’t.Who did win that one? I thought it was Bernardini as well.

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No text editor available so can’t quote or edit here…but somebody did say Bernardini won the Preakness a couple of years ago when Barbaro broke down then somebody said he didn’t.Who did win that one? I thought it was Bernardini as well.[/QUOTE]

Bernardini won that race and remained unbeaten that year until losing in the BC Classic to Invasor. Bernardini didn’t race in the KY Derby or Belmont.

This Denis/Borel/Alborado thing is stupid. Not saying it will make a difference, but if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Carroll has got to be pulling his hair out.

findeight, is this the exchange you were wondering about?

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Bernardini didn’t run in the Belmont.[/QUOTE]

So, are you folks going to bet on the race? I ask because my boss is a major gambler (does well) and he and his buddies don’t bet the favorite (not enough mnoney to be made) but they do some wild exotics. Anyway, he’s not bothering to bet so I was wondering if you guys feel the same. Also, what do you think the majority of hard-core gamblers are going to do on this race?

Ouch - Tagg ready to spit nails

Not sure if Tale of Ekati was pulling in the beer wagon or not :smiley:

Source DRF 5-26-08

Tale of Ekati, the Wood Memorial winner and fourth-place finisher in the Kentucky Derby, worked six furlongs in a pedestrian 1:18.47 Monday morning jockey Eibar Coa.

Tale of Ekati went his first quarter-mile in 26.32 seconds and got his last half-mile in 52.15, with Coa barely moving on the colt. Though Belmont’s main track was dry and yielded slow times after the renovation break, trainer Barclay Tagg was incredulous with what he saw.

“I don’t know how a world-class rider can go out there and work [a horse] in 1:18 - I just don’t know,” said Tagg, who added he was so upset that he didn’t talk to Coa after the move. “I told him go in 1:12.”

Coa said that Tale of Ekati started the work on his wrong lead and was also on his wrong lead in the stretch.

“He was acting a little bit weird today,” Coa said. “I didn’t want to force him to do something that I didn’t feel was the right thing. He’s a better worker than that.”

Tagg said he didn’t know if or how he would adjust Tale of Ekati’s training schedule. He planned to work the colt again on Sunday.

Is it me or does Tagg have more than his share of problems with exercise riders not returning the works he wants? Seems like I remember him getting down on Santos for blowing a work with Funny Cide and there was a verbal rebuke of a work Tale of Ekati had last year in the run up to the BC.
Or are other trainers just less vocal in the press about it?

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Or are other trainers just less vocal in the press about it?[/QUOTE]

Some trainers I suspect just make for good copy with their comments - or lack there of. Larry Jones was none to happy with a Hard Spun workout last year as I recall as well. He like Tagg expects anyone who gets up on one of their horses to know just how fast you are going. If the horse is going too fast, then slow it down, if the tempo isn’t there then its their job to coax out the speed.

If Tale Of Ekati wants to go off at 45-1 odds then they can certainly put out another “woe is us” workout knowing they have oodles of speed on tap. The article suggested however the horse was not on the correct lead - so why push it, right?

Tagg’s the guy who gets irked if the work is 1/5 of a second off from what he asked for… bit of a perfectionist there.

Worth noting, Denis of Cork had a solid work at Churchill with Albarado up. 5 furlongs in :59 4/5. :yes:

Bad taste is the best description relative to Dutrow’s wild remarks on Curlin v. Big Brown.

Equidaily.com cites a radio program (Down the Stretch) whereby Durtow spouted the following:

Cusano: Q: “How do you think Big Brown as a 3YO stacks up against the 4YO Curlin?”

Dutrow: A: “Well, I’ve seen Curlin get beat by a filly – so that is not impressive to me. I can’t imagine there’s a filly breathing air that could beat Big Brown.”

Not sure if the ‘filly breathing air’ descriptive is a backhanded remark about the deceased Eight Belles, whom regardless of sex has been closest 2nd place to him in his career.

Well doesn’t this just sum it up beautifully?-

Love the horse, but that trainer’s irritating by John Clay

excerpt:

We know you’re a good trainer. We know you have overcome personal demons to be in this position. We know you have tremendous confidence Big Brown will get the job done.

But your attitude leaves us, well, a bit cold. Those never-ending “there’s no horse out there that can beat him,” and the “I just don’t see anybody better than my horse,” proclamations have grown old. That “no chance” response you gave to the intriguing Japanese import Casino Drive’s chances in the Belmont bordered on classless.

Why just the other day, when you were asked about a possible Big Brown-Curlin matchup down the road, you were quoted as saying, “It would be good for racing, it would be good for us, it wouldn’t be so good for him.”

Point to remember: The more humble our sports figures, the better we like them.

The more respectful, too.

Great article, Barnfairy. Way for the writer to hit the nail on the head.