Do you guys know the post time? I want to leave the eventing safety meeting in time to get home and watch…:yes:
“Around” 6pm, est.
It is listed at 6:25 on the Belmont card.
As much as I don’t like the one hole, here is something to ponder (I admit I took this from somewhere else)
Horses who have won the Belmont from the 1 post include Touch Gold, AP Indy, Riva Ridge, Arts and Letters, Damascus, Man o’ War, and….
The Triple Crown winners Secretariat, Citation, Assault, Gallant Fox, and Sir Barton.
There are so many “names” on the undercard, I don’t know where to begin! It might need its own thread. What is up with the Curlin/Einstein folks now that Einstein can’t run???
The draw is really irrelevant in the Belmont, they’re going a mile and half on a nice big track, in a small field. I think a horse could come out of the gate backwards and still have all day to sort it out.
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Face it…if BB wins, he deserves it. The steriods do not make him run faster, more horses are joining in the race, so a good field should be expected, not just a bunch of “also rans”, it should be a great race. Lets all just enjoy it for the love of the sport and hope history is finally made! :yes:[/QUOTE]
Thank you. that was needed after all the BB bashing
You are welcome CaSaNoVa14! 
Now lets get ready to rumble!!!
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The draw is really irrelevant in the Belmont, they’re going a mile and half on a nice big track, in a small field. I think a horse could come out of the gate backwards and still have all day to sort it out.[/QUOTE]
Drvmb1ggl3 is on the money - it does not matter
Furthermore at 1 1/2 mi the dynamics change with how far behind you can fall yet still have a chance to close.
I’m not suggesting by any means that BB (or anyone else in the race) is worthy of comparison to Exceller, Affirmed or Seattle Slew but watch the replay of the 1978 Jockey Club Gold Cup at the same track and distance
Note that Exceller is cited on the backstretch at about the 1/2 mi mark as being 20+ lengths behind Seattle Slew and Affirmed and Life’s Hope. In fact at the 3/4 mi mark Exceller is still 12-lengths behind Life’s Hope who is himself now 5-lengths away from Affirmed, who is about 2+ lengths away from Slew. Typically people would say “well its all over - you can’t make up that deficit” but again at Belmont and at 1 1/2 miles it changes a lot.
So (1) if doesn’t matter where any horse starts in the PP and (2) it doesn’t matter if a horse spots the field a lengths early - provided speed is there upfront to eat away at their strength.
Not exactly the workout you want to see but the slop at Belmont can take most of the blame …
Casino Drive’s Thursday Morning (June 5th) work
Jockey Edgar Prado got acquainted with his Belmont Stakes mount, Casino Drive, on Thursday morning, putting him through a modest half-mile workout track clockers timed in 55.80 seconds. The Belmont main track was muddy.
Casino Drive did not appear comfortable over the muddy surface, switching his leads back and forth several times coming through the stretch.
Casino Drive got his last quarter of the move in 26.96 seconds.
“He was looking at the footprints [on the track],” Prado told trainer Kazuo Fujisawa with racing manager Nobutaka Tada interpreting. “He did everything himself. I didn’t have to encourage him.”
Klassy
You can’t make this stuff up!
Looks like to some degree the apprehension of UPS to fully back Big Brown has opened the door to another sponsor - Hooters. Seriously.
NY Daily News June 5 - “Hooters jumps aboard Big Brown with sponsorship deal”
The buxom brand’s logo - which features an owl peering through the ‘OO’ in “Hooters” - will be emblazoned on Kent Desormeaux’s legs as his horse makes a bid to become the first Triple Crown winner in 30 years.
And if Big Brown makes it to the winner’s circle, he will be greeted by busty Hooters girls in tightfitting T-shirts.
“We do have our logo right up on the jockey,” Mike McNeil, vice president of marketing for Hooters of America, told the Daily News.
“We’ll have Hooters execs and Hooters girls in the winner’s circle when the horse wins.”
Until now, United Parcel Service was Big Brown’s sole sponsor, and the worldwide delivery company is said to be less than thrilled about sharing the limelight with the raunchy company.
“UPS wanted to be the exclusive sponsor and we offered them every possible way to do [that], and they basically turned it down,” said Kelly Wietsma, spokeswoman for Big Brown’s owner, IEAH Stables.
Ah, just what horse racing needs to better promote the sport on a mainstreet basis. Maybe they can get Colt 45 Malt Liquor for sponsoring logos on the jockey sleeves …
God. It would be bad enough if they were simply the sponsor, period, that’s it. But the fact that Hooters girls will be in the winner’s circle? Completely trashy.
It’s all about marketing, promotions, and the money that might be had from that.
Forget the sport. Wait until the logo has to be plastered on the horses croup.
At that point, racing draft horses may become popular. More hide to put logos on and with the slower race times, more time for people to see all the advertising.
Since “WarrenT” appears to be long gone from this forum I guess I’ll have to pass this along
Any it won’t require an passwords, blood tests, VISA cards on file, or your mother’s maiden name to access it.
DRF’s free Past-Performances for the 2008 140th running of the $1M Belmont Stakes, Race 11
So how long before Jockeys look like NASCAR cars?
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Keep in mind the track, NTRA, and owners/trainers of horses aren’t the ones making the money on the deals where logos appear on the jockey. That is “real estate” controlled by the jockey and brokered accordingly. In the situation of UPS’s logo on Kent in the Derby and Preakness that was brokered in a package with him as well as IEAH.
Outside of the pant the silk of the jacket, if you will, is restricted as having to match the owner’s stable colors. So unless McDonlad’s is the owner of the horse, you couldn’t get the golden arches on the back of the jockey 
Historically track’s in large part have been against logo’d riders and the Jockey Guild took those tracks to court to ensure their financial interests were not being further controlled by others. see - this article from 2004 in USA Today
OTOH, how many placers has it produced?
It makes me wonder whose head(s) will roll at UPS when BB steps into the winner’s circle.
re: the Big Brown UPS sponsorship switch to Hooter’s
Ah let the mocking of horse racing begin 
Gawker June 5, 2008 “Hooters To Sponsor Star Horse ‘Big Brown’; Comedians Celebrate”
Stay classy, rich people.
BrandWeek June 5, 2008 "Hooters to be Title Sponsor for Big Brown "
With this deal, Hooters is able to go where it was prevented from appearing during the recent NCAA men’s basketball tournament, when a full-page print ad featuring Dick Vitale and Hooters’ girl Sara Hoots was pulled from the official program.
That said - there is a change from what was previously released:
BloodHorse June 5, 2008 “Hooters Picks up Desormeaux Sponsorship”
Contrary to previously published reports, no Hooters girls will join Big Brown in the winner’s circle should he win the Triple Crown. But Hooters does plan to throw pre-race parties at locations across the country, and will contribute to a fund set up by Desormeaux to aid those affected by Usher syndrome, which impacts the jockey’s son, Jacob.
Still the damage will be done with this being late night fodder for Leno, Letterman, et al
Photo: Big Brown, Kent Desormeaux, and the Hooters Girls.
One positive marketing angle:
Woodford Reserve is offering a ‘Big Brown Chases the Triple Crown’ cocktail with collectible glass on Saturday. with proceeds to benefit Belmont Park-based charities Anna House (first and only full-time child care facility based on-site at a U.S. racetrack) and B.E.S.T (Backstretch Employee Service Team)
“We are proud to partner with Big Brown’s owners to help improve the lives of folks who make the thoroughbred industry operate,” said Wayne Rose, brand director for Woodford Reserve. “This is a special time for the racing industry and not only are we delighted to honor Big Brown, but we also look forward to making a contribution to these two important organizations.”
More likely, they’d trim it into the fur as with baseball team logos in the outfield.
Excuse me while I hurl.
Seriously, could this get ANY WORSE???
I find it remarkably easy to root for horses. Really. ANY horse. Throw in a really good horse like BB and its insanely easy. But is someone somewhere trying to tell us something?
Next thing you know, we’ll find out Big Brown himself has a juvenile record
(he he… bad pun intended).
