Black Country saddles in the hunters?

Hi all,

Looking for thoughts on Black Country saddles.
I ride the A circuit hunters and my Butet has made my horse’s back sore. I’ve always loved the French brands but my horse needs a wide tree and has a broad, flat back that may be more suited for the English brands rather than the banana shaped panels commonly seen in the French brands. I’ve had an independent saddle fitter look at him and we’ve narrowed it down to a Voltaire that fits pretty well or doing a custom wool flocked Black Country.
Anyone else riding in a Black Country doing the higher level hunters?

Looking for thoughts on quality? Comfort? Do you feel like it puts you in a good position jumping/on the flat?

My take–if the saddle fits your horse and makes him happy, is an english saddle for jumping and is shaped like one then who the h$ll cares what other people are doing. If it fits him and you he will go better and you will do better. Any judge who actually notices what kind of saddle you have and deducts for that should not be a judge anyway.

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The judge doesn’t care what your saddle looks like, if that’s what you mean.

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I edited my post to add that I’m looking more for thoughts on quality, position, comfort, etc.

I agree - I edited my post to add that I’m looking for thoughts on quality, comfort, position, etc.
Obviously I want my horse as comfortable as possible. I’ve always just thought it was odd that French saddles are all you ever see/hear about in the hunter world. I’ve wondered if it’s truly just due to marketing/deals with trainers or if there’s a reason they’re more popular as compared to some of the British brands.

I am not a HJer, but I did order a custom BC from Patty Merli 5 years ago for a KS horse with a history of being difficult to fit. I still love it and how kind it’s been to my horse. Excellent quality and durability - it looks brand new despite daily mileage rain or shine. Came exactly as ordered and Patty was so wonderful. I loved it so much I have a second BC in dressage. I would order from BC and Patty again, zero questions. Both BCs fit me well and I’ve ridden in both on hunter paces and long trail rides (~3h) with zero complaints.

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Not high level by any stretch over here but I am a hunter rider who’s only ever shown in Black Country. Both of my tricky to fit horses (WB and TB) have absolutely loved the BC Ricochet. The shape and balance work well for me, and my trainers have told me I’m not allowed to ever sell the saddle because they love it too. I’ll echo Beowulf - it’s been a tremendously versatile saddle for me. Long hunter show days, state park trail rides, hunter paces, obstacle challenges… comfortable and secure for all of it. I don’t think it’s that remarkably different from any other saddle that a judge would see anything of note in the show ring.

I also bought mine as a demo from Patty Merli. Worth every penny and she made the fitting/trial experience a breeze. BC offers a ton of options for tree and panels to accommodate different needs.

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A little column A, a little column B?

The French brands have done a fantastic job of marketing their saddles and creating an effective sales model, no doubt about that.

They also do a good job of installing human creature comforts in their saddles in terms of human fit- length and width of working center, twist wider or narrower, stirrup bar placement, lots of options about flap configuration. I’m going to generalize wildly here by saying that British brands, like Black Country and County, often do not have the same range of options, especially in seat depth/breadth and position of working center. If you are comfortable in the saddle, this is not a problem for you. If it doesn’t suit your conformation, they may not have another model in their range that does. (Another poster here once remarked to me in rather hilarious fashion “it sounds like your derriere is of the French persuasion” because I’ve never had great luck finding a British-built saddle that I found comfortable, although I’ve tried! That’s just about my conformation.) The French saddles also have a certain “look”- they’re available in beautiful leather, they have trim options, etc.- whereas the British ones are crafted more to be workmanlike than aesthetic. However, that stout thick grain leather wears like iron and will last you forever. They’re good quality saddles. I also don’t know of a British saddle made in such a way that it must go back to the manufacturer for repair, whereas there are elements on some CWD saddles, for instance, that are designed not to be reparable by your average saddler.

If you aren’t able to find the fit for your own derriere in Black Country, other British brands that can do wide flat pony back with some more options for the human conformation might be Frank Baines and Harry Dabbs.

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I had a BC Quantum custom fitted to my horse in 2007 and have been riding in it since. Nobody has ever noticed the brand at a show as best as I can tell. It’s my favorite saddle to ride in and fits my horse great. I do get the flocking checked and adjusted yearly or as needed. I also have a BC Eden for dressage.

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I have to say it amazes me the way that saddles have gotten so much more expensive over the years and at the same time, so much less durable, as they keep making them with thinner and thinner leather that wears out in the blink of an eye.

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Love love love my Black Country Ricochet. Show in it, foxhunt in it, hunter paces, trail rides, obstacle courses, everything. Love it.

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You’re absolutely right. It’s nuts. I have a 20 yr old full buffalo Antares that still looks brand new and it’s butter soft. Granted I’ve taken good care of it but they certainly don’t make them like they used to.

No saddle fits all horses or all riders. You have to try it out and see if it does both for you. I briefly got to try a Quantum X for my barrel on legs and absolutely loved it, I felt secure without being glued in place. It won’t suit all riders any more than Butet suits all riders. The quality was great, BC in general is good quality

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That’s hilarious. My derriere is definitely of the French persuasion as well :rofl:
It is hard to beat the beauty and comfort of a French saddle. It’s unfortunate that they’re lacking in customization options for the horse when there are so many for the rider.

Antarès is the only French brand that offers extensive rider AND horse options—7 tree widths from extra narrow to extra wide and multiple tree shapes before you start messing around with the panels. I’m not 100% sure on this, but I think all the other French brands just have a medium and AO tree??

I think you’re right - I know Antares has the medium (AN) and a few wide (AO) options and most others just have their standard/medium and an AO option.

The USHJA just did a webinar the other night with a saddle fitter who was talking about all the different options on saddles these days.

It sort of blows my mind to think how many more choices are available than there used to be.

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The have “AF” trees which are the more narrow end of the spectrum too… not that I have any clue what the AF stands for

I think it’s for A-frame, since the front of the saddle is shaped more like an A.

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It’s pretty neat how much saddles have changed over the years as we’ve learned more and technology has improved. I think it’s a shame though that so many brands/styles don’t fit every horse well but are often used and encouraged because they’re more trendy.