Bloodlines in regards to dressage and dressage breeding

What do you mean by egyptians and warmbloods? I love them both. I’m not breeding my girl, but am interested in her past. She is a 4 year old warmblood. My competition horse is half egyptian arabian X warmblood. His rideability and temperament are excellent. We have a history of caring for each other. My young (warmblood) mare is just as caring, but in a different way.

Egyptian arabians, are not the arabians who have been used/or using in warmbloodbreeding a lot.

More you see shagya, polish or russian arabians, as they have more bone, and are working horses.

egyptian arabians here in the netherlands, more the pretty horse, with giga dish in head, and very light in type, but not working mentalitity.

and fitting the type warmbloods sporthorse in the netherlands/ germany better. maybe in the trakhener breeding more egyptian arabians? i only have seen there polish or russian( belarus) arabians in trakhener pedigree ie seen.

and they prooved that they are good breeding horses, the russian/polish arabians, and shagya. and some of them are well known cause of the topquality they produce.

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A Quality mare. (i hear this from my coach about one of my horses) I think about it a lot. I do not know exactly what she means except that maybe this horse is…expressive.

When you see ‘quality’ you know it. But it is rather indefinable huh? Like a great ice skater in the olympics we just watched… how she will display a deep emotion with sublime grace. It has something to do with expression. Quality… It is what great art is. It is what beautiful music is. It is expression, but expression of a deep well of emotion. It is transcendent.

edit: not bragging that my mare is all-that! i have no idea actually, i’m always aboard and never have seen her, only have ridden. and she’s not competing (yet) so no scores/no judging notes.

You leftout the most relevant word–“breeders”.

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I said absolutely nothing about Arab/WB crosses (though I have known several that were very nice horses.)
My reference was to animosity amongst the admirers of various bloodlines in both groups of people.

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The user ignore feature on here is quite useful :wink:

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My mare goes back to Hanan, a german horse, who is well thought of. I agree the older Egyptians looked like using horses compared to the horses of today. Egyptians with bone and sport capabilities still exist. Their in the tent minds are excellent in communication and concentration, and take care of their rider. When I went shopping as a 50 year old starting back with riding, they were good choices for me. There are many nice horses out there. A barn friend just bought a 10 year old Carthusian, a subset of the Andalusian horse, bred by monks. He’s a lovely gray gelding and is likely percentage Barb. His build looks like my Seglavi strain mare. My warmblood mare is 4 years old and from a Hanoverian dam line maintained by a US breeder. She’s very sensible and a gentle giant. It is fun trying something new.

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Jazz offspring are known to be hyperreactive.

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Sigrid is right. Egyptian arabs are not typically used in WB breeding. They are typically bred for halter classes with very dished noses and are not particularly athletic. More Polish bred Arabians are.

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No one ever claimed Egyptians were a common warmblood x. Someone did not discern the meaning of the comparison I was making.

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I KNOW what you mean. :wink:

I picked up my very first “Arabian Horse World” magazine 50 years ago. I followed the breeding (obsessions) until tax “write-offs” that a lot of breeders/owners were using were eliminated.

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Your point seemed pretty clear to me, but clearly a few folks seem to have totally misunderstood your comment.

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Thanks. I have been a part of this community for almost 16 years.

Was.

Thanks for the reply. I did misunderstand.

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Gail Hoff Carmona did use this type of arab in her Swedish Warmblood program very successfuly.

What is your question? Sigrid is a relation correct.

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He was a very interesting stallion. I did work with one. Very tall! Perhaps would have been more used today

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Which is why they can piaffe and passage like demons. They are also a horse that can be easily ruined. We are friends on Facebook. Can discuss further if interested.

The Carmona’s prime Egyptian stallion, Serr Maariner, was not your typical main ring Egyptian Arab.
For those familiar w/Arabian bloodlines, he was striaght Babson breeding, in fact, IIRC Henry Babson himslef was the breeder.
And Major Carmona loved PB Arabs, but once said to me that the market for Arabians in dressage just wasn’t there.

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Fun fact: that stallion lived out his retirement years in Canada.

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