Boyd Martin's Crackerjack Euthanized at Pau

What is most unfortunate about Denny’s post (and others) is that he is perpetuating two myths, one being that our sport is more dangerous now than it was in the past. There were significantly more serious horse and rider injuries per starter back when Denny was competing than there are now. The second myth that he is perpetuating is that there is nothing being done about safety. That was largely true back in his day but it certainly isn’t true now. I think that these myths have become part of a subculture, namely his followers, that breeds contempt for the BNRs in our sport.

I see this subculture on this forum. Often.

ETA: a friend of mine said that on Denny’s posts, whenever anyone posts statistics on safety research, data on falls per starter over the years and other empirical support against the myths, those posts are promptly deleted.

Please people, do your own research and reach your own conclusions. Please…

16 Likes

DC, I completely agree about the abrupt footing change and whether that was a contributing factor should be examined.

Maybe another thing that should be examined is at what speeds breakdowns like this occur on course. In some of the FB comments, DE said that twisty courses like this encourage racing (I think was the term he used) to make up time in between fences, so obviously horses are going much faster than the average mpm at some points on courses. Is that a contributing factor to breakdowns between fences?

1 Like

Quoting DC:
‘There are plenty of conversations to have about this tragedy, and to me the biggest question is whether abrupt footing changes including road crossings are having a bigger impact on the legs of our horse than we realized. I would imagine the racing industry may have such research available and hopefully it can be applied to eventing. The solution could be as simple as a gradual blending of footing into the transition starting X number of yards from the footing change.’

Boy howdy is that the truth. If I might painfully put Cracker’s tragedy aside for just a brief moment, and focus on the falls yesterday. I have a serious problem with that.How many horses had falls, let alone the riders. When there are multiple falls at an event, I think there is something wrong with the course. I remember the pages and pages of anguish at the time of Boyd’s fall at the Vicarage vee fence. I don’t remember ow many people fell that day, and yes, most did get over it, but there were more than 5 horse falls I do believe at that one fence. To my mind, THAT is unacceptable. It should have been removed from the course. Yesterday, I watched 2-3 hours of live xc from Pau, and saw many horses slipping at almost all the water jumps. Footing ‘looked’ good, no rain, and these were at the first elements.
I know the courses are getting safer, but remember there are MORE competitions. How many were there, ‘back in the day’? good grief! There are competitions nearly every weekend now a days.

Is there a grading system for course builders? How many horse falls at Badminton compared to Burghley, or Kentucky? How many starters vs finishers? Did you look at all the eliminations yesterday? These were the top riders in the world. Did they bring horses not fit enough? I doubt that. Not clever enough? um, doubt that too. Maybe look harder at these events. People will continue to go if they need to get a qualifying score, because most will make it around. But when you have many horse falls, and you look at the course designer’s record, what is the average number of horse falls, per event.
No one even wants to see rider falls, but multiple horse falls per event tells me, there is a flaw. I think most of the courses appear to be safer. But who knows? I thought burghley looked like a death trap this year, but most got safely around.

5 Likes

Y’all did know that Eric Winter, the current Badminton course designer (IIRC) has just been named to design Galway Downs, didn’t you? And that Derek DiGrazia is no longer the course designer for WEG; that job’s now been given to Bellissimo’s pet, CMP.

@RAyers was involved in a speed study for US eventing, quite a while ago, on the speeds at various points around a course. If I remember correctly, there was huge variation, going as high as 900 mpm. (Disappointed the link on the USEA site doesn’t give any results or outcomes… Reed - can you point us in the right direction?)

Sure, twisty courses will make the OT harder to get. But there is plenty of racing and slowing down on most UL courses these days due to the technical combinations.

I feel it is punishing to the horses when the twists, turns, and technical combinations require a lot of pulling and setting up, or quickly turning on landing. There was one combination at Pau where they had to do a 180 degree turn and directly to the water complex in only a few strides. As Boyd said, it was like a go-kart track.

Others have likened this to the difference between jogging at the same speed for a long stretch, versus doing wind sprints with breaks. You know which makes you more tired, even if your “average speed” was the same.

7 Likes

WAIT WHAT. When did that happen?

2 Likes

Not sure when it happened, but I read it either on COTH or CMP’s column in H&H. Get me a minute and I’ll see if I can find it.

I’ve read/heard multiple people say eventing is safer now than it historically has been, do we have some data to support this? Is some group recording these statistics and tracking this?

4 Likes

Here’s a quote from CMP’s most recent VIP column in H&H:

Closer to home, I’m designing the cross-country course at the World Equestrian Games (WEG) in Tryon, North Carolina, next September.

A concern is that riders must go at 126m per jumping effort under the new championship rules, as opposed to 145m at the current four-stars. Less space between fences to make up time increases the temptation to ride faster at the obstacles. When this is combined with smaller fences, which command less respect, the chances of a disaster multiply.

Of course the new rules for WEG and the Olympics have reduced the number of jumps from 45 down to 38-42.over a ten minute course. Obviously CMP didn’t have knowledge of the FEI changes when he wrote his column.

Picking CMP makes sense in the context. I’m just disappointed. Goodbye eventing.

3 Likes

Nice…CMP…[eye roll]. I don’t understand why he keeps getting jobs. I guess it’s all about whom you know. Or maybe to whom you’re related. I don’t get it.

As someone else mentioned, the Pau course had lots of falls. Andrew Nicholson seemed to narrowly avoid a rotational fall at the top of a mound. Horse managed to not rotate but Andrew did. I held my breath until I saw him up.

1 Like

I was thinking that perhaps he was designing the venue for Bellissimo to use for WEG and glorified that to designing the course. But his talking about number of jumps per meter would seem to me to be the words of the actual course designer.

The FEI often uses a big name CD from the hosting country, or the CD of the venue. Pierre Michelet did Caen, and Mike E-S, the regular designer for the 4* that was once Rolex, did the Lexington WEG.

2 Likes

I don’t think I stated anywhere that such an injury is “equally as likely” to happen. I just stated that life is cruel and sometimes even walking in their safest paddock they take a wrong step. To the best of horses with the best of care. Rookie couldn’t have asked for a better life, he got everything a horse can get when it comes to great care. I bet that Crackerjack did as well. I have no evidence at all that what happened to Crackerjack on cross country WOULD have happened had he been standing at home, or if he’d been run over a course that had consistent footing from start to finish. None. However the opposite is true, no one has any firm evidence that either the change in footing or what he was doing at the time was to blame. For all any of us know, the horse had a hairline crack that wasn’t paining him or had a small tear in a tendon already going and that moment is just when it went. Who knows? We may never know. Boyd’s comments are the closest to inside information we’re going to get and I believe every word he said about what it felt like when it happened. I would believe it if a study showed that sudden change of footing while galloping causes horses to suffer injuries at a higher rate. And of course horses are more likely to be hurt while participating in a high impact sport, that’s undeniable. It just may not be why it happened this time, or it may be. We don’t know.

3 Likes

In other words, nothing confirms your suspicion, though I do see where it’s coming from. Derek was named officially so we’ll wait and see if there’s any change.

It was a shame about Victor and I wonder if he would have been okay if D.E, had not show jumped him “iced and serviceably sound” on a tendon tear.

3 Likes

This describes the ‘good old days’ I remember minus the rose colored glasses…

10 Likes

Worth Repeating.

8 Likes

Matt Brown pretty much nailed it (right down to the cat videos). Thanks @Highflyer for highlighting his response since we’re so overwhelmed with all the bickering at this point, it is easy to miss.

6 Likes

I follow the Tamarack Farms Facebook page and I have seen DE make numerous posts in which he talks about how his views on many aspects of riding and eventing have evolved over the years. The event about which you speak happened over 40 years ago. It’s silly to say that because a person had one opinion 40+ years ago that he can’t legitimately have another opinion now.

It diminishes your argument when you have to reach for stuff like that to support it.

15 Likes

My question is, would all these riders be speaking out and making a stand for safety on their FB pages if Denny hadn’t posted anything? Me thinks not. It would have been the old “accidents happen, that’s eventing” and move onto the next event.

Accident or not, these things need to be looked into. That is two horses this year I know of breaking a leg on course. JER has posted another incident about her personal horse. I saw another rider from Ontario post about hers that it also happened to. It is obviously quite common, so should we just chalk it up to “horses”?

And yes horses get hurt in turn out, but that is not the conversation here. Thats like the argument about driving cars and accidents, yes they happen. But we really do nee to investigate WHY they are happening, only then can we say it was just one of those things.

16 Likes