I have a half-brother to Big Brown and his feet are just dandy. He wears shoes but only because his feet grow better that way. He’s five and I’m training him for Dressage/Eventing. Oh and by the way - his sire is Boundary, which means BB’s speed comes from the dam’s line. When my guy raced he couldn’t find the finishline with a map:lol:
Your horse is not a half brother, he share’s the same sire as BB.
Okey Dokey then, please explain why this does not make him a half-brother even though they share the same sire. I am a mere, lowly eventer and do not travel in the same circles as you racing folks.
However, my half-brother and I share the same father. So does this mean I don’t have to buy him a Christmas present next year. Cause’ really - it’s a pain…
Unless your Dad is running around having 100 kids a year, it doesn’t really compare. The terminology is By the same sire. If it was out of the same mare but by a different stallion they would be half brother’s.
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[quote=Laurierace;3248060]…The terminology is By the same sire. If it was out of the same mare but by a different stallion they would be half brother’s.
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I did not know this. Or rather; I was vaguely aware of the different usages of terminology, but never considered the why it was used that way - because ~ sire gets 100 vs. dam gets 1 per year.
Interesting. It does make sense to differentiate that way.
(O/T - It makes me crazy when someone refers to a certain horse as “being out of a certain stallion”. As the quarter horse people in my area always do. Just like they refer to any uncut male horse, regardless of age as a “stud” :rolleyes:)
It’s a question of the correct terminology and maybe you were corrected a little brusquely in this thread but if you went to a TB venue like the Keeneland sales and mentioned your half brother to Big Brown by Boundary, someone would disabuse you of the notion there too.
In TBs, half siblings are always out of the same dam and that is a hallowed distinction when it comes to a major stakes winner. The difference between having a yearling half brother to Big Brown out of his dam versus having a young Boundary colt is probably a over a million dollars which gives a monetary sense of its importance.
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that is the difference between you and me. While you can retire a race horse after it is 3, I ride hunter/jumper and they have to last! I would never buy a horse with crappy feet!
And quarter cracks can be a very big deal especially when they bleed! It takes a long time for them to heal properly.
He might retire at 3 and make millions at stud, great for him, but who knows if any of his foals will win and many of them will have bad feet! JMHO
But then again, I hate that they race at 2, but I won’t go there!
He will still race and he might just win too! Good luck to him, I just hope it doesn’t cause him pain.:([/QUOTE]
i hate that they race at 2 as well…we just don’t build TB’s like we used to and because of that they should at least wait another year to get them racing.
Thanks for the clarification Pronzini! 
But since my gelding will not ever be sold (I loff him) and he won’t be making big $$$, and since all of my students and boarders now think rooting for Big Brown is fun because he’s “family” - I’ll still consider him a hafl-brother. Just more fun that way. :lol:
As for my own half-brother, I’m still debating buying him a Christmas present - the excuse being that he’s not my brother anymore:D Joking…really, just joking :winkgrin:
Since the subject of odd terminology came up - can anyone explain the genesis of ‘own son of’ or ‘own daughter of’??? It’s either a son or daughter or it isn’t… And I’ve seen it used independent of who is speaking and/or actually OWNS the horse… Sorry for the interjection, but that one just bugs me!
buy your half brother a Christmas present even though you are just by the same Dad!
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i hate that they race at 2 as well…we just don’t build TB’s like we used to and because of that they should at least wait another year to get them racing.[/QUOTE]
I see this sentiment a lot. Has anyone spouting it done any kind of research, even if it’s simply reading biographies of horses from 50, 75, 100 years ago or more? Do you realize that the horses of yore were running far, far more races at 2 years of age than is done today? Do you realize that most TBs don’t run at 2 or, if they do, they make very few starts (comparatively speaking) at 2 compared to “the good old days”?
Have you read the well-publicized studies that show that horses stay sounder and compete longer when they begin their training while they’re still growing?
There is just no logic to say, in the same breath, that 2-year-olds shouldn’t be racing and that “we just don’t build TBs like we used to.” We probably don’t; but we also don’t race them at 2 like they used to, either.
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Okey Dokey then, please explain why this does not make him a half-brother even though they share the same sire. I am a mere, lowly eventer and do not travel in the same circles as you racing folks.
However, my half-brother and I share the same father. So does this mean I don’t have to buy him a Christmas present next year. Cause’ really - it’s a pain.…[/QUOTE]
Classic!!!
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Okey Dokey then, please explain why this does not make him a half-brother even though they share the same sire. I am a mere, lowly eventer and do not travel in the same circles as you racing folks.
However, my half-brother and I share the same father. So does this mean I don’t have to buy him a Christmas present next year. Cause’ really - it’s a pain…[/QUOTE]
I don’t care what proper TB/racetrack protocol is…THEY SHARE 50% OF THE GENES SO 50% IS HALF…LIKE IN A DIVORCE …HALF OF YOUR ASSETS GO TO THE WIFE…LIKE HALF OF A DOZ IS 6. WHAT PART OF HALF DON’T YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND??? So OKEY DOKEY your horse is a half bro…damn it!!
I’m just a mere H/J but half is half.
Calm down, BB. It’s not that big of a deal. It’s just terminology, and it’s not just at the track. Most equine breeders use “by the same sire” instead of “half siblings” because stallions can have so many more foals than mares.
Your genetics is faulty anyway. Half sibs do NOT necessarily share any genes. They CAN share up to 50% of their genes, but they could also share as little as 0. Reality is probably somewhere in between.
Semantics is such a bitch.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I did not know this. Or rather; I was vaguely aware of the different usages of terminology, but never considered the why it was used that way - because ~ sire gets 100 vs. dam gets 1 per year.
Interesting. It does make sense to differentiate that way.
(O/T - It makes me crazy when someone refers to a certain horse as “being out of a certain stallion”. As the quarter horse people in my area always do. Just like they refer to any uncut male horse, regardless of age as a “stud” :rolleyes:)[/QUOTE]
Whenever someone says the horse is out of a a stallion I always say “That must have hurt!”
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Since the subject of odd terminology came up - can anyone explain the genesis of ‘own son of’ or ‘own daughter of’??? It’s either a son or daughter or it isn’t… And I’ve seen it used independent of who is speaking and/or actually OWNS the horse… Sorry for the interjection, but that one just bugs me![/QUOTE]
That’s usually a QH/Paint thing. Gives the horse in question extra cachet. Basically, it’s to denote that your horse is really, honestly, truly a son/daughter of, say, Hollywood Dun It or Zippo Pine Bar or Mr. San Peppy, as opposed to being a grandson/granddaughter/neice/nephew/cousin 12 times removed/whatever relation of said famous horse.
Kinda like a horse being by a half-brother to a famous horse because it’s by the same stallion as opposed to being a real one by being out of the same dam.
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Whenever someone says the horse is out of a a stallion I always say “That must have hurt!”[/QUOTE]
WOW worse than a kidney stone.
I have a horse BY THE SAME SIRE as Invasor and Leroidesamanaux (sp) but they all were in different countries and some different hemispheres! so there is no way they could be the true half brothers but they certainly share some characteristics…But it is neat to say they are related.
To me pedigrees are weird, why do they make such a big difference when family bloodlines never proove anything on the track…Fair Play bred to Mahuba I think 6 times only one Man O’War!
Personally, I do not think racing 2 year olds is a problem as in the old world if we trained the same. They did not use Lasix, steroids etc…so BIG difference in my book…
Wish horses ran longer also.
I am so glad Curlin is still running but that is for legal reasons I believe…
JMHO
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Personally, I do not think racing 2 year olds is a problem as in the old world if we trained the same. They did not use Lasix, steroids etc…so BIG difference in my book…
Wish horses ran longer also.
I am so glad Curlin is still running but that is for legal reasons I believe…
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They may not have had Lasix and steroids, but they had and used stuff that would make the legal drugs of today look like placebos. Be careful what you wish for.
There is no “legal reason” for Curlin to still be running. He’s still running because his majority owner wants him to continue, and has the money to cover the horse’s insurance costs.
