Since you are not looking to lighten up, I would suggest C.Quito. Here is a link to a lovely photo of him. I met him in person last fall and he was terrific.
We are expecting a foal from him the end of May, my mare settled on the first try, frozen.
He does do fresh, but it’s limited, due to his location and show schedule.
Love Cabardino, but he is actually fairly refined in person. I saw him last year, and was surprised by his smaller stature. I don’t think he’d give you the bone you need.
Of your list, I really like Crown Affair (may be a tad long backed?? Have not seen him in person but looks to be in some of the pictures) and Cunningham
We have used three of the stallions on your list on the same chestnut Alla’Czar x TB mare with very different results- well, we can’t judge the CQuito yet as it is due in late May!
Cunningham gave us a gray colt with excellent conformation and a tad on the smaller size as compared to earlier and later foals from this dam. Steady temperament and promises to be a good competitor in the A/A and A/O ring on the A circuit. Could do derbies, we expect. Perhaps not quite as good a hunter mover as the dam or her other foals.
http://sakurahillfarm.com/horses.php?HOID=65
Crown Affair gave us a very fancy chestnut filly with striking conformation and coloration. Spicier in temperament as compared to the colt and could be shown very successfully on the line as well as up into the A/A and A/O and Derbies with proper training. She lives up to her barn name “Ritzie”. Looks to be as good a mover as her dam.
http://sakurahillfarm.com/horses.php?HOID=127
The CQuito offspring will be born late May. We are using him again on a different mare under a custom foal contract.
All of these foals were sold at 2 months of age, in utero or as a custom foal. All of these SOs were 100% professional and delightful to work with. All of the stallions provided us with excellent quality semen, with mares conceiving on the first try. All of these foals were born healthy and robust.
We unhesitatingly recommend all three of the stallions!
I too have seen Cabardino and while he may be of smaller statue he is capable of producing a larger horse with good bone.
Take a look at this page as this breeder has some nice foals by several of the stallions on your list. http://www.bridlebourne.com/horses-for-sale/ She has a super nice gelding by Cabardino who is over 17 hh.
The other thing you want to take into account when shopping for a stallion with a fresh semen contract is the actual collection schedule. Do they only collect on certain days (ie. MWF) or not available on some days (due to show schedule, etc.). Make sure you email and ask the stallion owner this ahead of time. These are some of the “challenges” we have run across while breeding with fresh semen.
I thought I would add a video of my 2008 Crown Affair gelding. We just made it a couple of days ago. I am very excited about this boy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W_t2YYL1KI&list=UUnMKb2t8jcrspSQVCefYBjA&index=2&feature=plcp
Crown did move to Wild Turkey Farm recently and will be collected on the same schedule as all of Barb’s stallions starting in 2012.
Since your mare is Hanoverian-approved you could consider any of the stallions currently on the Jumper Breeding Program list at http://www.hanoverian.org/jbp-approved-stallions/ - I know in particular that Parabol at Hilltop won some prestigious jumping events in Germany judged on style while jumping quiet large fences - 5’6". There are also some nice stallions on the canadian list.
There are also quite a few new stallions on the regular AHS roster at http://www.hanoverian.org/active-elite-ahs-stallions/ that are interesting jumpers. Rubinus, Novalis as well as Validation S and Chicardo, the stallions that just placed first/second at the 70-day test in Oklahoma have also just been accepted and activated.
I would also contact the AHS office and see if your mare qualifies for Elite Candidate status based on her performance results. The office staff have been fighting the flu for the past week so it may take a few days after the holiday to get back to you.
Good luck on your matchmaking!
See this thread regarding Edgar’s Landkoenig son, Lantinus:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-212868.html
OP’s mare pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sheila101
Lantinus dam’s pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/april+sun5
OP’s mare is the S sireline to Senator grandson, Saloniki, over a mare with a tail sirelint to Ticino.
Lantinus’ dam is out of a mare with sireline to Senator, whose damsire is the Senator grandson, Saloniki…with Ticino son Sinus feeding directly into the tail female line.
Just thought there were interesting similarities in the damline. If it was my mare, I would definitely want to get Edgar’s thoughts, especially in view of the fact he is known to provide excellent stallions/semen/service to even the newest of breeders.
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I too have seen Cabardino and while he may be of smaller statue he is capable of producing a larger horse with good bone.
Take a look at this page as this breeder has some nice foals by several of the stallions on your list. http://www.bridlebourne.com/horses-for-sale/ She has a super nice gelding by Cabardino who is over 17 hh.
The other thing you want to take into account when shopping for a stallion with a fresh semen contract is the actual collection schedule. Do they only collect on certain days (ie. MWF) or not available on some days (due to show schedule, etc.). Make sure you email and ask the stallion owner this ahead of time. These are some of the “challenges” we have run across while breeding with fresh semen.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that information on Cabardino…good to know. And excellent advice about the collection dates!
If you are looking for a derby prospect but would be happy with a jumper, what about Sir Caletto? All the offspring I have seen from him were short coupled with great jumps. You also might end up with a gray.
Just wanted to add as the breeder of the dam of Dino, the over 17hh Cabardino - Lucky Beea Lady’s parents were both big at 16.3hh and had a good amount of bone.
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No prob just wanted to throw that tidbit out there for others looking to breed to him. That Cabardino gelding I mentioned is huge but as Can’t re- stated in the above post the dam is large also.
And BTW, I am looking forward to seeing more of Amazing’s offspring, particularly AllieKat’s 2012 (since I have personally seen the dam). He is a very lovely boy. 
What makes a perfect derby horse?
I would say roc USA. My 3 year old by him is out of a fine boned tb mare and he is super brave. He will jump anything and never spooks. He added bone and height and my mare is light bay and my 3 year old is dark bay almost black with 4 white socks and a stipe on his nose.
Here he is as a 2 year old at his 2nd show ever. So roc passes on a great mind and the smoothest canter I have ever sat on!
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=Ni9mkwKgz4I
I like Cunningham but was just too much of an extreme for my mare.(too big boned for my petite tb)
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Thanks We are liking what he did in 2011 and can’t wait to see the others…
Samotis, can’t get that link to work?? I do like Roc USA also as he seems to be a very versatile sire.
OP, any interest at all in Empire? I LOVE him and hadn’t heard if he’s being offered this year.
From the video I’ve seen, I like Empire. He actually reminds me of my mare in way of going and jump. Could someone direct me to more info on Empire? I’m not coming up with much. Sounds like he might not be breeding this year?
I’ve seen two Cabardino offspring in training (different dams). They are both quite refined with very dainty, beautiful faces. Both are fantastic, careful jumpers with lots of scope and movement that is more suited to the jumpers (and I believe they were bred with the jumpers in mind). Both are also a bit spicy, but as they are young, they may mellow out. They also seem to learn quickly.
These are just my impressions from watching their sessions. I very much enjoy opportunities to watch horses that are related - you can see a strong physical resemblance between these two -especially in the head. Neither is exceptionally tall.
Cabardino himself is quite small and refined but I’m seen quite a few big offspring of his.
I would take a good look at Sir Caletto if I were you. My Sir Caletto out of my AHS approved Thoroughbred mare is stunningly nice, everything I could have hoped for and more, with the best attitude and temperament you could ask for.
I bred a differeny mare to Apiro a few years ago and that foal was also lovely and I suspect could make a Derby horse. Again, I’ve seen a lot of Apiro’s and love them, he really stamps his offspring.
You might want to look at Ironman. He is known to shorten backs, he has compact pasturns. His disposition is very ami friendly and he passes it on along with a beautiful jump and lovely movement. He was a jumper but we always had hunter riders coming up asking to ride him in the working. He was the USEF #1 hunter breeding sire in 07. He produces gorgeous babies and while not approved Hannoverian, is a half Hannoverian, but is approved 8,9 other registries.
Nancy
I think you should strongly consider Apiro, Baron Von Gogh, and Coronett 2.
Apiro, at Silvercreek, has bred a bunch, and clearly stamps his offspring with a lovely uphill top line, beautiful head and neck, and will add size and bone, add scope, and is a mover. His jump is correct and has a nice bascule but is not a take your breath away leg yanker. They are very professional to deal with, and have he has a good conception rate.
Baron, at Rainbow Equus, will add bone, size and scope, and has an outstanding temperament that he passes along. He has an outstanding canter but the trot is average. He has monster scope, very correct technique, and is very uphill. Again, Edgar is amazing to work with and can give you all the conception data. They also have the cheapest collection and shipping of any stallion owner, primarily I think because they have the capacity of doing it all on site.
Coronett 2 is new stallion standing to the public for the first time this year. He is a Holsteiner that canters around the Grand Prix ring in a rubber D. Outstanding technique and scope, stunningly beautiful, superb temperment. His first foals are due this year.
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I think you should strongly consider Apiro, Baron Von Gogh, and Coronett 2.
Apiro, at Silvercreek, has bred a bunch, and clearly stamps his offspring with a lovely uphill top line, beautiful head and neck, and will add size and bone, add scope, and is a mover. His jump is correct and has a nice bascule but is not a take your breath away leg yanker. They are very professional to deal with, and have he has a good conception rate.
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Silvercreek’s website states Apiro is available only through frozen semen in 2012.
