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There are still many people not involved with European Warmbloods in the USA who go by the warmblood equals crossbred of any combination of ‘pure cold’ (draft) and ‘pure hot’ (Arab, TB) in any generational background:
There are only 3 categories a horse can be in; hot, cold, warm. Pick one.
Nothing wrong with it, except it seems to get European Warmblood breeders hackles up. The 3 class system isn’t a designation used in Europe. -Although I do note that they refer to their stock as Sporthorses for differentiation.
one might say that a person in the USA that doesn’t use European before Warmblood is inaccurate if they are referring just to the WBFSH stock; while the actual warmblood is a mix designation, non-discipline specific.
Absolutely agree the OP directed her complaint in the wrong direction. Type and function, not breed, is the downfall.[/QUOTE]
When it comes to horses (as in many other things), the US is going to be different from Europe and the rest of the world. Don’t ask me why. For instance, take the US breed Spotted Saddle Horse. It means a pinto horse. In Britain and maybe the rest of the English-speaking horse world, a spotted horse is one with actual spots, like an Appaloosa or a Knabstrupper, not a horse with colored patches like a pinto. But here in the good ol’ USofA we have to be different.
So the American Warmblood registry includes draft crosses. Don’t ask me why. I have nothing against draft crosses. I like heavy horses (draft horses) and I have known a few draft crosses – including one with the pseudo-fancy name of Georgian Grande – and the ones I have known have been nice horses. I am not a WB breedist!
Maybe some people will find it easier to separate “warmblood” from “Warmblood,” if they like, and lump Hanoverians, Holsteiners, Trakehners, Westphalians, et al., into one group, as “warmbloods,” and to put Belgian WBs, Dutch, German, Hungarian, Swiss, Swedish, etc., WBs into another group and call them “Warmbloods” since “Warmblood” is actually a part of their breeds’ names.
I like the old term from my youth, “half-bred,” which then designated a horse that was half Thorougbred, half something else. I don’t think an Anglo-Arab was considered a half-bred back then, since after all an Anglo-Arab is a specific breed that was originally a cross between a TB and an Arabian, and TBs were originally a cross between an Arabian stallion and a cold-blooded (or maybe lower-case-w warmblood) mare.
I find it illogical (but not quite confusing) to refer to Hanoverians, Holsteiners, etc., as warmbloods when, when any of them are crossed with a TB or each other or some other breed, their offspring may be called Dutch or Belgian or Swedish or whatever Warmbloods); I also can’t always figure out the difference between a sport horse and a warmblood, unless it is an Irish Sport Horse, a Canadian Sport Horse, a Friesian Sport Horse, or a Paint Sport Horse, which breeds I presume are a cross between a TB and something that is not a European-derived Warmblood or warmblood (obviously not, in the case of the Paint SH and the Irish SH!).
For consistency, the US does call its version of the Irish Sport Horse an Irish DRAUGHT Sport Horse (love the “draught” spelling, don’t you? :lol:) just to distinguish its horses from their Irish-bred cousins.
Maybe it’s all down to the fact that very few people today want to refer to their horse as a “grade” horse (at one time an OK term), perhaps particularly people who do dressage, which is a discipline that originated on the European continent back when people in Britain had already adopted the forward seat because they had discovered hunting foxes with hounds.
OK, now hopefully someone will start a spin-off thread on the Canadian Horse (which is not the same as the Canadian SPORT Horse) so that we can discuss whether or not it has its roots in the Friesian or some other breed sent to Canada by Louis XIV!