http://rideandsee.com/buck-brannaman-clinic/
This is a picture of Buck who has lassoed this horse. Is it being taken out of context or abuse??
This has been a big topic on FB today. Looking at one picture, people are deciding he is an abusive trainer.
and we had never had a horse have an A-Hole moment…
I bet those who decide it’s abuse give their money to the handlebared one…
:rolleyes:
Baloney.
I was getting slam-dunked on this as I think it is just a moment in time - no one knows exactly what happened. I know I have done things with/to my horse that if taken in that one moment, would look horrible.
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I was getting slam-dunked on this as I think it is just a moment in time - no one knows exactly what happened. I know I have done things with/to my horse that if taken in that one moment, would look horrible.[/QUOTE]
Buck has forgotten more about horses than the folks on the thread combined know…
I read a few of the comments and I am about ready to throw up.
“…just a moment in time.” Exactly. They say he’s choking it? I say as soon as the horse gets down and gives to pressure, everything is fine. He’s not galloping around, dragging the other horse. I think its a nothing picture. I wouldn’t get worked up over it.
I like much of what Buck says and all…
But I REALLY do not understand the “rushing” with a “wild” (ie, very green, not much handling) horse type stuff. I have never in 30 years had a need to “lasso” a horse… I have never had any broncing and antics starting a horse under saddle.
I DO NOT like these “colt starting” clinics - I see no reason to throw that many new things at a horse at once - in a strange place no less.
Slow and easy as always worked for me, and results in zero fireworks.
They keep comparing to choking a dog. What do these people do when a dog they are leading tries to chase a squirrel and hits the end of its collar? Or do they not use leashes at all?
I don’t understand this new animal “training” mentality at all.
Buck’s pretty up front. I wonder if the person who posted the photos on face book saying they were abuse (and I note that the person who actually took the photos didn’t appear to see it as abuse) has attended a clinic and been told the truth about her lack of horsemanship skills?
That horse is searching for the answer to release that pressure…sometimes it gets ugly before it gets better. To me there is no abuse there, just a lesson that throwing yourself around is not a way to release pressure.
I bet there is a very, very good reason Brannaman is teaching give to pressure from horseback, versus ground;)
I like much of what Buck says and all…
But I REALLY do not understand the “rushing” with a “wild” (ie, very green, not much handling) horse type stuff. I have never in 30 years had a need to “lasso” a horse… I have never had any broncing and antics starting a horse under saddle.
I DO NOT like these “colt starting” clinics - I see no reason to throw that many new things at a horse at once - in a strange place no less.
Slow and easy as always worked for me, and results in zero fireworks.
I agree. Not saying abusive but I dont understand -why the rush…
The fact of the matter is, the first time a horse is lassoed, it usually does fight the pressure pretty violently before it figures it out. Everything you see in the movies or at rodeos is horses that have been lassoed previously, and have learned to stop fighting and give to pressure as soon as they hit the end of the rope. The smart ones learn to stop when they feel the rope.
Many years ago, I had to have someone rope a weanling gone feral for me that we.could.not.catch after weeks of patient luring with food and treats. It was either that or start to withhold water, I thought the rope was the way to go.
THAT was an eye opening experience. The handler was tactful, patient, fit, strong AND very concerned with not hurting the weanling. He ran circles in the paddock after he got a rope on to avoid having him hit the end of the rope hard and hurt himself, then gradually reeled him in as he wore down. Even with all that, he had to be choked down in order for us to get a halter on him, after which we loosened the lasso, got him up, and led him to a stall.
Lassoing is only a gentle tool when the horse has learned to give to pressure and/or is used to being roped.
I don’t have a problem with the Brannaman photo. I would question the real world horse experience of someone looking at that photo and thinking it’s abusive.
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I like much of what Buck says and all…
But I REALLY do not understand the “rushing” with a “wild” (ie, very green, not much handling) horse type stuff. I have never in 30 years had a need to “lasso” a horse… I have never had any broncing and antics starting a horse under saddle.
I DO NOT like these “colt starting” clinics - I see no reason to throw that many new things at a horse at once - in a strange place no less.
Slow and easy as always worked for me, and results in zero fireworks.[/QUOTE]
I think if you read McGurk’s reply and add to it that it’s very possible the horse in the photo hasn’t been handled at all then it does makes sense. While YOU haven’t needed to rope a horse in your life, that doesn’t mean that no horse needs to be roped ever. Slow and easy with zero fireworks is ideal, but not always achievable. That said, I don’t disagree that the idea of the colt starting clinic is a little wonky, but the methods do work and usually aren’t rushed.
I’ve watched my husband start many horses and it really doesn’t take more than a few days to get them through what these clinic participants do at a clinic. This is true for MOST horses, just as MOST horses don’t need to be roped. It’s also arguably more desirable to have a yahoo under supervision starting a horse than on his own…
Look at how calm absolutely everyone in that photo is… other than the colt who’s about to figure out he’s only fighting himself.
This is one of those times to decide who you know and trust and ignore the rest. We all know how the internet is. 
I have observed that Buck is not to be questioned, certainly not criticized.
out of context we know almost nothing.
I witnessed Ray Hunt completely overwhelm a spoiled horse into a furious temper fit that resulted in a concussion and a rider’s separated shoulder. What did I learn? That we’re all human,and any one of us can make a mistake.
out of context we know almost nothing.
I witnessed Ray Hunt completely overwhelm a spoiled horse into a furious temper fit that resulted in a concussion and a rider’s separated shoulder. What did I learn? That we’re all human,and any one of us can make a mistake.
What would you say if it was a photo of Monty Roberts?
Me? That I can’t judge the situation out of context.
I’ve seen PP do decent work, and **** work. Same for CA- I think he sucks overall, but has moments of ok.
That’s my answer…
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