Look, I’ll support Baby Quiches and Carrots, but I stop short of those sneaky little cherry tomatoes.
MAGNOLIA 2000 the voice of hors de’vours and horsey people. Oh, and I care about pickles too.
Really though, it is wonderful that we live in a society that we can mock and disagree with our leaders. Some nations would hang us by our fingernails.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kryswyn:
[B]GORE
Inflamatory statements like Snowbird’s, to the effect of ‘you could’ve been aborted’ are meaningless, because (DUH) if you’d been aborted you wouldn’t have known life. You can’t “miss” what you’ve never had. You may yearn for it, but you can’t miss it and a fetus doesn’t know what it’s experiencing.
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Thanx Kryswyn. I find it most disturbing that the same people (primarily men) who are vehemently anti-choice are also those who oppose spending even a government penny to help those unwanted children once they arrive on the scene . . .
Rockstar, you’ve got my vote
You canÂ’t compare gun ownership with driving a car. Gun ownership is a Constitution-given right, like it or not. It was our forefathers’ contention that no government limit the rights of its citizens to keep and bear arms or to form militias. In fact, it could be argued that they themselves were radicals. They did, after all, overthrow a government they felt was unfair. No government should be able to Â"keep tabsÂ" on who has what. If one wants to own a gun, fine. That said, however, I personally feel that some accountability is warranted. Require an education course before a gun is purchased. I am not so far to the right, though, that I believe as some NRA (which I am not a member, btw) fanatics do that if there is a Â"databaseÂ" of gun owners some day a government might come into power that will just up and take Â’em all away.
Regarding the abortion issue: What really gets me is the conservativesÂ’ view that one should not have an abortion, but THATÂ’S IT. They do not want sex education in schools, or free/reduced price birth control, nor are they there as soon as the umbilical cord is cut.
Also, the Repubs donÂ’t want welfare, but they donÂ’t give a damn about educating people so they will become less dependent on the government dole. (I believe the Â"teach a man to fishÂ" analogy was used previously.) Subsidize and ensure quality child care so that a single mother can afford to put her children in day care so that she can get started earning a living? Well, of course not. ThatÂ’s Â"big governmentÂ" and a no-no, even though it would go a long way to help people become more self-sufficient.
People, do not for once believe that Dems are for Â"big governmentÂ" and Repubs are not. Both parties have their own agendas: Dems have those programs which help the less fortunate and the environment (for example), and Repubs have those which protect the privileged and big business and tell me what I can do with my personal life. It still adds up to Â"big governmentÂ".
The only party which truly advocates Â"less governmentÂ" is the Libertarian party. Too bad the only thing that they are known for is Â"no income taxesÂ". While I like what they have to say, even I, being an idealist, think their party line is too idealistic. Privatize everything, or put it at the state level. None, or minimal, income tax means more money to give to oneÂ’s favorite charity. DonÂ’t like the school your kids are attending? Well, there would be no public school, and youÂ’d have your tax dollar savings to be able to send them to the school of your choice. (They also maintain it would be less expensive.) Of course, I for one donÂ’t believe we are a society of consummate givers. (I know I’d probably just spend more money on my own private charity, my horses… 
) I also do not believe the totally private education theory would work, either. It would still encourage elitism. Those who could afford the best would get the best. Those that couldnÂ’t would still be left out in the cold.
You know what would be a good source of tax dollars, and a way to have less crime? Legalize/decriminalize drugs such as marijuana and cocaine! Tax their purchases heavily, and use the money to have drug prevention programs, free needles, and medical treatment for those who are addicted and/or have HIV.
Just my (long and rambling) $0.02…
For those who think Gore’s boring:
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George Bush and empty vessel?
Then what do we call Al Gore? A colander?
“If we don’t succeed, we run the risk of failure.”-Al Gore
“Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.”-- Al Gore
“The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation’s history. I mean in this century’s history. But we all lived in this century. I didn’t live in this century.”-Al Gore, 9/15/95
“I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change.”-Al Gore, 5/22/98
“Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.”-Al Gore, 11/30/96
“I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future.” -Al Gore
“We’re going to have the best-educated American people in the world.” --Al Gore, 9/21/97
“I stand by all the misstatements that I’ve made.” --Vice President Al Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93
“We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe.”-Al Gore
“I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat.” --Al Gore
“A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls.” – Al Gore
“Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it.” --Al Gore, 5/20/96
“For NASA, space is still a high priority.” --Vice President Al Gore, 9/5/93
“Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children.” --Al Gore, 9/18/95
“It isn’t pollution that’s harming the environment. It’s the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.”-Al Gore
It made me howl too Heidi; I wish I knew where it originated. I received it via email the other day.
Inverness, thank you for that Molly Ivins piece. I absolutely love her.
Bush scares me to death.
I worked with 2 Christian majority people at my last job. One was very kind. He had religous passages in his office. Outside of work he was a devoted father. His wife was a housewife, and they budgeted to allow her to be such. They had a wonderful sense of family, but were quiet about their beliefs and very non-judgemental.
The other was a member of the NRA. His wife worked, even though they had kids. That paid for dad’s toys. He had biblical passages too, regarding justification for materialism. He was a loud mouth about being so saved and good, because he attended church. He regularly bashed gays and hippies. He hated other religions. I think he embarassed the other Christian.
A real Christian that follows the doctrine is a kind and patient person. The fake Christians are scarey as hell, using the bible to justify their faults.
I work with a preachers wife now (a democrat). I believe that real Christians have a lot to offer. Unfortunatley, they tend to stay out of politics and stick to their churches. So please don’t bash all Christians, just the #$%holes that deserve it.
Oh, and yes, separation of church and state is exceedingly important, but I see nothing wrong with advocating the 10 Commandments!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
This all reminds me of Survivor. First, there were 4. I really liked Rudy (McCain). He was neat and honest. First, Sue went down - (not all that poular anyhow) (Bill Bradley) Then, Rudy went by by (Mc Cain).
So, we were left with 2 jerks Richard, a conniving smart guy that you hate (Gore), and Kelly (a backstabber 2 faced queen of fake that you hate.)(Bush)
So, like the dissed castaways, we have to vote for one of these jerks, and it’s gonna split right down the middle.I would love to see neither get a majority! :><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL, Magnolia!! I’d never thought of it that way, but you definitely make some points…
I, too, really liked McCain and would have preferred him to Bush as the Republican candidate. Have you read his book, Faith of My Fathers? It’s excellent, and his story is truly inspiring. I would strongly recommend it.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DMK:
[B]…
“If we don’t succeed, we run the risk of failure.”
…George W. Bush, Jr.
“Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.”
…Governor George W. Bush, Jr.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Adam:
[B]…
“If we don’t succeed, we run the risk of failure.”-Al Gore
“Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.”-- Al Gore…[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL…Who REALLY owns those quotes? How about DAN QUAYLE???
Check it out 
http://www.iag.net/~greth/quayle.html
Seems Dan supposedly said all that way before Gore & Bush got the credit!1980’s. 
Gotta love it…Freedom of the Press, I guess…
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
[B]
And Heidi, since you are not an American citizen, your interest in our politics would be…??? I guess you just don’t want the neighborhood to deteriorate too much when America becomes the United American Socialist Republic. Might make the Canadian dollar evenweaker than it already is.
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Don’t take offense Heidi. Jumphigh is what we refer to as an “Ugly American.”
TRUTH, HONOR, PRINCIPLE and the ENVIRONMENT
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VETTING THE NOMINEE
Al Gore, Environmentalist and Zinc Miner Originally published in The
Wall Street Journal, June 29, 2000.
BY MICAH MORRISON Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:01 a.m. EDT
“The lakes and rivers sustain us; they flow through the veins of the
earth and into our own. But we must take care to let them flow back out as pure as they came, not poison and waste them without thought for the future.”
–Al Gore, “Earth in the Balance”
“He taught me how to plow a steep hillside with a team of mules. He
taught me how to clear three acres of heavily-wooded forest with a
double-bladed axe. . … He taught me how to stop gullies before they got
started. He taught me how to drive, how to shoot a rifle, how to fish,
how to swim. We loved to swim together in the Caney Fork River off a big
flat rock on the back side of his farm.”
–Al Gore on his father, Sen. Albert Gore Sr., from algore2000.com CARTHAGE, Tenn.–On his most recent tax return, as he has the past 25 years, Vice President Al Gore lists a $20,000 mining royalty for the extraction of zinc from beneath his farm here in the bucolic hills of the Cumberland River Valley.
[B]In total, Mr. Gore has earned $500,000 from zinc royalties. His late father, the senator, introduced him not only to
the double-bladed ax but also to Armand Hammer, chairman of Occidental
Petroleum Corp., which sold the zinc-rich land to the Gore family in 1973.
It also seems that zinc from Mr. Gore’s property ends up in the cool
waters of the Caney Fork River, an oft-celebrated site in Gore lore.[/B]
A major shaft and tailings pond of the Pasminco Zinc Mine sit practically
in the backyard of the vice president’s Tennessee homestead. Zinc and
other metals from the Gore land move from underground tunnels through elaborate extraction processes. Waste material ends up in the tailings pond, from which water flows into adjacent Caney Fork, languidly rolling
on to the great Cumberland.Mining is intrinsically a messy business, and Pasminco Zinc generally has a good environmental record. But not one that would pass muster with “Earth in the Balance,” Mr. Gore’s best-selling environmental book.
As recently as May 16, the Tennessee Department of Environment and
Conservation issued a “Notice of Violation.” It informed Pasminco that it had infringed the Tennessee Water Quality Control act due to high levels of zinc in the river.
Those zinc levels exceeded standards established by the state and the
federal Environmental Protection Agency. A “sample analysis found that
total zinc was 1.480 mg/L [milligrams per liter], which is greater than
the monthly average of .65 mg/L and the daily maximum of 1.30 mg/L.”
Pasminco “may be subject to enforcement action pursuant to The Tennessee
Water Quality Control Act of 1977 for the aforementioned violation,” the
notice stated.
This was not the first time Mr. Gore’s mining benefactor had run afoul of environmental regulations. In 1996, the mine twice failed biomonitoring tests designed to protect water quality in the Caney Fork for fish and wildlife. Mine discharge “failed two acute tests for toxicity to Ceriodaphnia dubia,” a species of water flea, according to a mine permit analysis by Tennessee environmental authorities. “The
discharge of industrial wastewater from Outfall #001 [the Caney Fork
effluent] contains toxic metals (copper and zinc),” the analysis stated.
“The combined effect of these pollutants may be detrimental to fish and
aquatic life.”
Tests for The Wall Street Journal by two independent Tennessee laboratories, conducted in September 1999 and this month, showed trace amounts of zinc and other metals in the Caney Fork that were in compliance with federal standards. But soil tests revealed what one lab called problematic “large quantities” of heavy metals in the riverbank
soil downstream of the Caney Fork effluent.
In both sets of tests,samples of water and soil were provided to the labs by the Journal. Soil samples drawn from the mine effluent and downstream “contained
large quantities of Barium, Iron, and Zinc, as well as smaller amounts of Arsenic, Chromium and Lead,” Warner Laboratories found in September. “The soil from each of these sites seems to have some problems according
to our findings. The levels of Barium, Iron and Zinc far exceed any report limit [a detection threshold within the testing system] and it should be noted that these results are extremely high compared to
typical soil found in a populated neighborhood.”
Tests conducted in June by the Environmental Science Corp. found similar traces of heavy metals in the water and soil. The report found the soil samples to contain relatively high levels of “Barium, Iron, Zinc, and
several of the other metals, including Aluminum, Calcium and Magnesium.”
The ESC report also noted traces of cyanide in some water and soil samples.
Pasminco is not required to test soil along the banks of the Caney Fork.
Both labs, while noting anomalies in the soil, believe the results do
not warrant concern as environmental hazards. The water and soil clearly
are not, however, “as pure as they came,” as Mr. Gore demands in “Earth
in the Balance.” A 1998 study by the Environmental Working Group, a Washington-based organization, criticized the zinc-mining operation for purchasing a
toxic waste that included sulfuric acid and reselling it as fertilizer.
The mine buys acid waste from steel plants, uses it as purification agent in zinc processing, and then sells the waste to fertilizer companies, according to a report in the Tennessean, a Nashville
newspaper. Most soil scientists say the procedure is safe. Tennessee environmentalists disagree. “Clearly, when you spread those types of chemicals around on a farm or on the land, you’re going to get
a lot of runoff,” Brian McGuire, executive director of Tennessee Citizens Action told the Tennessean. “So it’s going to get into the water. We’re poisoning ourselves.”
A Pasminco official noted that the mine has had few violations and works to uphold a “very strict standard” of environmental quality. The Gore campaign did not respond to requests for comment. But some Tennessee
residents say Mr. Gore becomes testy when questioned about the zinc mine.
Tom Gniewek, a retired chemical engineer from Camden, Tenn., has studied the zinc mine for years and tried to question Mr. Gore about it
at town-hall meetings. “He gets real angry,” Mr. Gniewek says. “Instead of answering the question, he attacked my motives and accused people like me of vandalizing the earth.”
Mr. Gore’s original purchase of the zinc-rich land is of some interest as well, shedding light on his long relationship with Mr. Hammer, the former Occidental Petroleum chief. A controversial influence peddler who
trafficked in politicians of all stripes and parties, Mr. Hammer pleaded guilty in 1975 to providing hush money in the Watergate scandal.
Mr. Hammer cut a wide swath across Washington from the 1930s until his death in 1990 at 92. His controversial career was marked by decades of profitable business dealings with the Soviet Union, which were closely
watched by the FBI. He leapt into the big time by acquiring Libyan oil rights for Occidental Petroleum through what biographer Edward Jay Epstein has characterized as a combination of shrewd business dealings
and bribery. After his 1975 conviction, Mr. Hammer spent the rest of his life campaigning for a pardon, which President Bush granted in 1989.
Mr. Hammer cultivated close relationships with many politicians, but he
was closest to Mr. Gore’s father, a U.S. senator from 1953 until 1971.
Mr. Hammer’s Occidental Minerals snapped up the zinc-bearing property in 1972. The senior Mr. Gore’s farm is on the opposite bank of the Caney Fork. Mr. Hammer paid $160,000, double the only other offer, according
to the Washington Post, which first disclosed details of the arrangement during the 1992 presidential campaign. According to deed documents in Carthage, a year later Mr. Hammer sold the land to the senior Mr. Gore for $160,000, adding the extremely
generous $20,000 per year mineral royalty. Ten minutes after that sale,the former senator executed a deed selling the property, including the mineral rights, to his son, the future vice president, for $140,000.
Albert Gore Sr. told the Post he kept the first $20,000 royalty for himself, evening up the father-son transaction. The purpose of the sale appears to have been transferring the annual $20,000 payment from Mr. Hammer to the young Mr. Gore. The Post reported
that the “$20,000 a year amounts to $227 an acre, much more than the $30 an acre Occidental Minerals, part of Hammer’s oil company, paid the senior Gore and some neighbors a few years before the 1973 arrangement.”
In 1992 then-Sen. Gore told the Post that although he had been working for “slave wages” as a newspaper reporter, he quickly came up with a $40,000 down payment from two previous real-estate investments. In 1974,
the zinc mine began annual payments of $20,000 to Mr. Gore, an important source of income to the young politician for many years. After the senior Mr. Gore lost his 1970 Senate re-election bid, Mr.Hammer named him chairman of Island Creek Coal, an Occidental subsidiary, and appointed him to the board of directors of Occidental
Petroleum.
The late Mr. Gore’s estate is conservatively valued at $1.5 million, including a block of Occidental stock worth between $250,000
and $500,000. The vice president is executor and trustee of his father’s estate, with “sole discretion” to manage a trust on his mother’s behalf. As Albert Gore Jr. rose through the political ranks, Mr. Hammer
continued to assist him. The Hammer family and corporations made donations up to the legal maximum in all of Mr. Gore’s campaigns,
according to Mr. Hammer’s former personal assistant, Neil Lyndon,writing in London’s Daily Telegraph. Mr. Gore regularly dined with Mr.Hammer and Occidental lobbyists in Washington, Mr. Lyndon wrote.
“Separately and together, the Gores sometimes used Hammer’s luxurious private Boeing 727 for journeys and jaunts.” The former Hammer aide noted that the "profound and prolonged involvement between Hammer and Gore has never been revealed or investigated."Mr. Hammer was famous for his dealings with the Soviet Union, and received a humanitarian award in Moscow in 1987 from International
Physicians Against Nuclear War.
Mr. Gore, who had been elected to the
Senate in 1984, delivered a speech to the same convention, saying conventional arms should be cut along with nuclear weapons. As vice president, Mr. Gore became the Clinton administration point man on relations with Russia. Mr. Gore would be well served to get the facts out about his relationship with Mr. Hammer, beginning with the zinc bounty. The issue is bigger than whether there is a pollution problem in Tennessee. When
Mr. Gore’s zinc riches are at stake, he appears unwilling to live by the
standards he sets out for others in “Earth in the Balance.”
His record of uncompromising environmental rhetoric seems another instance of the kind of hypocrisy that has dogged his campaign for
months. He’s been accused of being a slumlord for providing substandard housing to a tenant on a rental unit adjoining his farm. A
well-remembered 1996 speech to the Democratic National Convention, invoking his sister’s death by lung cancer and attacking the tobacco industry, also contributed to his reputation for slippery sanctimony when his close ties to Tennessee tobacco were revealed.
And of course Mr. Gore has been sharply criticized for posturing on campaign finance
reform while under investigation for possible fund-raising crimes in the 1996 campaign.
No mention of the zinc mine appears in “Earth in the Balance,” on Mr.Gore’s campaign Web site or in his speeches. At this point the story of the Tennessee farm, the zinc mine, the politician and the influence peddler is largely one of cant and hypocrisy.[b] This is not a hanging crime in the political world, but the vice president, among others,
might note that Bill Clinton’s problems also began with a murky land deal and a shady financier. Click here to read “Vetting the Frontrunners.” http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=65000070 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So, is the concensus Gore/Lieberman/Senator Hillary?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
Hobson - this makes me laugh - my boyfriend is a Nader man (he voted early, but couldn’t vote Green - not on the NC ballot - talk about a crock of $%&# (could they not have gotten 2000 signatures in the Hygenically challenged Asheville area?). At any rate, he is a granola freak and wouldn’t touch Cap’n Crunch with a 10’ pole ~ but I digress. I should fix you 2 up. LOL
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Magnolia, I believe this is at least the second time you have mentioned getting me together with your BF…what’s going on? You getting tired of the soy milk and the hummus and the natural hemp clothing? I appreciate your offer, but I already have a smarty-pants socialist/green husband who happens to look really sexy in his cycling team jersey. Whoops! That last part is for the “Designers” thread! If you guys are ever in Philly, drop me a line and I’ll get you both a cheesesteak. (I personally avoid these heart attacks on a bun, but I think your BF needs one.)
Kelly, PLEASE send me a cappicola and cheese sandwich from Primanti’s, I beg you! I cannot bear the horrid cheesesteaks and pretzels they consume here by the ton!
Snowbird - where did you find that chickens thing? That is simply the funniest political statement I’ve ever read. It’s priceless.
Thank you thank you thank you.
Maybe once the dust has settled some of the BBers will go back and actually read it.
That gave me a huge laugh.
How come we haven’t heard of those other two arrests? Where did Moore get his information from?
I have been ambivilent about abortion until a couple of weeks ago when I saw a film clip from a surgery being done on a 10 week fetus for spinabifita. The little hand came out of the uterus and it grabbed the doctor’s finger. There were 5 perfectly formed little fingers grasping for life. That fetus could still have been aborted for another two weeks.
If we can be cavaliere about the death of a baby, will we next approve the euthanasia of senior citizens because they cost too much to support?
I have never been an activist nor an advocate against abortion, but that picture will stick in my mind, forever. I remember an interview with a lady who had 10 children, and she said I might be in favor of abortion but I don’t know which of my 10 children shouldn’t live.
We have been very vocal about the punishment for pedophiles, should they be killed because they are incurable?
Does anyone feel the relationship with Nazi Germany where only the wanted, the perfect and the aryan should live? Have you considered that you might be one of those that people thought shouldn’t have been born?
As to guns! I sleep with a 10 guage shotgun in my bedroom. Why? because out here in the rural part of the country it can be your only protection! We have three levels, a security system, a bunch of dogs and if they get past those, there’s Grandma with her trusty rifle.
The “bad” guys have no trouble buying guns illegally, if they know that all of us are disarmed are we better off?
Tobacco and alcohol! Well if you don’t want to support me then you’d better let me have my cigarettes and white russians. If they’re right I’ll die sooner, but happy. I detest this idea that someone else is in charge of my life. I’ve done pretty well so far and I don’t want “Big Brother” forcing me to live a life style that doesn’t make me happy.
If you youngsters can’t afford us to live too long, then why not let us go out early and happy? Why pass laws that force us to be so healthy that we get to the point where euthanasia is the right solution?
Do we as a society have the right to decide who is worth keeping alive and who should die?
I agree that there is the right to choose, freedom of choice says you can use prevention or you can keep your legs closed. Rape, abuse and other crimes is another story.
I campaigned for Dwight Eisenhower, everyone said oh! he’s a military man he will keep us in war! It’s the opposite, he knew war! He hated war!
Do you want a President who will pick the Supreme Court based on his personal convictions? I don’t think so! Is it better to vote for one who believes in abortion than one who doesn’t? It better to vote for one who says that won’t be his criteria for a choice. If he lies then we vote the sucker out. We’ve had enough lies.
A child can’t be given an aspirin without the permission of the parents and without notifying them. Yet, they’re saying the same little girl can have an abortion without telling her parents!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shady creek farm:
[B]BUSH: our economy has been so strong lately that Alan Greenspan has been raising interest rates to slow it down. If Bush cuts taxes, it will overheat the economy, leading to inflation (because with more income, people will want to buy much more than the economy can produce) and out-of-sight interest rates (as Greenspan tries to get control of the economy – think back to 1982!). How will this affect the horse industry? Since horses are a luxury good, that industry tends to get hit harder during recessions.
GORE: Gore plans to use a good chunk of the surplus to pay down the national debt. This will lower interest payments on the debt, thus reducing the third largest expenditure of the federal goverment. Interest rates will be lower, which will stimulate investment (truly more of a “supply-side” policy) which will increase growth. A stable economy will help “stable” people (pun intended).
Bush continually reiterates that the tax money is ours, so we should get it back. However, the debt is ours too. When will we pay it down if not during a time of budget surpluses?
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I like what you have to say and think that was a great point.
I don’t like the discussion going on about kids… but hey.
Now, I HIGHLY reccomend that you visit this site… have your sound on and scroll slowly so you can catch the graphics. It is so busy that it takes a little while to fully download… but wait until it is all done and all of the images appear and the music comes on or it is not NEARLY as funny! To all of you democrats… I promise you will be rolling on the floor. To republcians… take a look… even my die hard republican friends (the one or two that I keep around that is 
) knew that it’s all in fun and died laughing too…
http://www.george-w-dance.homepage.com
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Janet:
And your objection to that is…?[/QUOTE
Well, does this qualify for an objection? I don’t want to pay any more. And yes indeedy, I would like to pay less.
Are you aware that many of those in the 1% staked all their life savings in unproven ideas and start-up businesses long ago (in the years after the Civil War and before the turn of the century), and they earned this money honestly? Imagine that! And they shared generously with their communities and their country, as well.
And while I’m in the mood, let me say this…my husband, for example, worked for his family business since he was in the 8th grade. He worked while he was in college. After leaving college and after serving in WWII, he worked in every department in his family business, and eventually was Chairman and CEO. He paid in a whopping amount of Social Security money over those years. Now he is retired, but do you think he gets any of it back? Not a chance…
His crime? His family business was successful, thanks to four generations of hard work. So successful that the government has decided that he has “too much”, so he doesn’t get back what he paid in in Social Security.
Think that is fair? Well, here is what I think is fair… people like my husband should have had a choice. Pay the SS money in and get it back like everyone else, or don’t pay in, as he knew very well that Social Security payments would not be necessary for him. All his SS money paid in is either supporting someone else, or more likely, has disappeared into the famous “Black Hole of the Federal Government”.
The amount of the money is not the point… the point is that the famous and often-maligned 1%… and particularly the top 5% of that 1% shoulder a lot of the financial burdens that have been created in America. And this is just one example.
And I also realize - and hope some of you do - much of the “new money” 1% usually feels a lot more proprietary about their fortunes than do the old money folks. Don’t hold your breath waiting on the new zillionaires to build the colleges and universities, libraries, museums, churches, shelters, etc. that changed the history and methodology of providing for all the people in this country.
Yeah, I know, I know… tsk, tsk, not PC. I don’t care.
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