Well now let’s not get so testy just because we do not agree! I have been a long time without someone lecturing me as if they had the only solution to the problems of the world. There are always different points of view without being vitriolic.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Snowbird: If I read that line about "clamp her legs shut and say NO" one more time I will SCREAM! Wise up woman! You've had children; therefore you're not a virgin - hopefully you know sex CAN be enjoyable?? Why should a male be able to take his pleasure (take being the operative word) while the female is pressing her legs together?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And, I certainly have and do and I hope you do too! But, since the issue is unwanted children, where in the Constituiton or the Bill of Rights does it say that everyone is entitled to immediate gratification of every whim and fancy or pleasure whenever they choose without responsibility for the consequences?
Obviously, if she says no! he won’t have pleasure either. So then who is really in charge and the independent free thinker. A male can find satisfaction in an empty jar stuffed with a piece of liver, does that mean we should? A man can pee standing up by unzipping his pants we can’t do that either.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why shouldn’t a woman be able to enjoy sex? And if that means getting EDUCATION, REDUCED COST BIRTH CONTROL, AND MEDICAL CARE then TG for Planned Parenthood. Get out of the 40’s with that ancient attitude.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who says she shouldn’t have education, certainly not me! Birth control pills from her HMO, or even free is just dandy, I certainly am not opposed to that! Planned Parenthood is a superior idea. I think all babies should be planned and not an accident. But, the premise of the topic to which I replied was that she was too stupid to know about such things. That the “she” being discussed was incapable of gaining these references, and therefore could not help popping out babies by the half dozen. That baby might grow up to solve some major world dilemma, why should it be disposed of just because she wants to, when she has already proved that her judgment is so poor.
I do find it strange when a school requires the parents permission for an aspirin to be administered and yet they think that same child should be able to have an abortion without notifying the parents.
There is absolutely nothing in the government or in civilization that permits us all to satisfy our needs whenever we feel, however we feel, with whomever we feel would be pleasant for an hour or two. That certainly would not make me feel emanicpated.
I will amend my statement to include that the “he” ought to keep his zipper zipped unless he wants to support a baby. I do believe that it is not necessary for a man to seek gratification every time it pleases him either. So, I am for full equality of the sexes.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Regarding those unwanted babies the Republican's want women to have rather than
abortions… only if they’re white and healthy. If all prospective “adoptive” parents just wanted a child, then they’d take whatever was available, right? But they don’t do that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
First of all there are many states which prefer children to remain unadopted if they cannot find a home within their racial or even ethnic background in this country. Am I to assume that you are implying that all those babies being aborted are black? There have been many court cases where white foster parents wanted to adopt a black child that had been in their care, and the child was ripped out of their home just for asking. There are many advocates of those black babies who are definitely opposed to these children being adopted into a white home and perhaps being raised in a white community.
Are you saying that these babies are better off dead than being adopted by a white couple?
Further, I am not opposed to abortion when it is evident that it poses a threat to the mother, or if it was the result of rape or incest. I am saying that this is not a right which needs to be supported by the government with tax money, or government decisions. Just in the same way that the government should not support religious groups of any conviction.
I do believe that if we have failed to instill responsibility in our children and the adults, we certainly are obligated to be responsible for the children. I do not see how anyone can justify disposing of a child because it is inconvenient.
I saw a video of surgery on an infant which still had two more weeks and it could have been aborted. It’s little hand came out of the surgically opened uterus and grasped the doctor’s finger. That hand was fully formed, and that was a life.
Any government which justifies the disposal of inconveniently conceived, and unwanted infant may also soon adopt the philosophy that Seniors who have no quality of life should be disposed of to save tax money. And, who knows where that will take us. The principle is a reverence for life and that the instant gratification of pleasure is what should be aborted.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>They go to Eastern Europe to get white babies so they don’t have to deal w/ “why is
Johnny black when his parents are white” and learning a different culture. Yes! Some DO
go to China, and some DO adopt racially mixed children, and some DO adopt children w/
known medical problems. But IMHO most couples want a child the same skin color as their
own and who can blame them? If you’re caucasion looking at your Vietnamese child you are reminded EVERYTIME you look at him/her that YOU were unable to bear a child.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
How sad for you that you really believe such things. They will go wherever they can go for the privilege of raising a child and watching it grow and learn. I don’t know where you live, but here on my farm we have several familes with children they have adopted, and they dearly love and nuture them as they were the same flesh. MY Goodness! you must have heard some dialog, that it’s not the mother who births that becomes the real mother to a child. No one I have ever known ever-ever considered the child they adopted as an insult to them because they couldn’t produce their own. They have to go to South America as well as Europe and Asia for babies. Many are mixed races, not all of anything. I can tell you that when they ride here they are cared for and nutured and loved and no one even sees their color or eyes or whatever is different than caucasian.
Besides what exactly is a caucasian? I doubt any of us are so pure bred that we can be sure there are not a few mixes from the past. Attila the Hun was not a caucasian and his brother was not a caucasian, yet they and their troops probably were the ancesters who fathered half of Eastern Europe. I’m a hungarian and therefore from Hungary the home base of Attila and his brother Buda. Did you know that Budapest is named after his brother?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Taxes: If you have a big piece of the pie, and you loose a chunk of it, you'll notice it less than the person w/ a sliver.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Again I find your statement unprincipled. Do you believe that in a democracy it is logical and fair that someone who has created great wealth should have it taken away and re-allocated to those who sat home watching TV and having babies? And, if you do believe that then what incentive is there to be successful? Is that not what brought down Russia? People wouldn't produce more than they needed. Why should they work so hard for someone else?
I think if you so strongly believe in the “legacy” of Bill Clinton, which is Al Gore then you should heed my previous post and vote for Bush to save Al Gore for posterity. The Bush Horoscope shows no danger. So perhaps we can agree on something.
The election will be over in two weeks, but the debate will not be over regarding the principles of being a member of a civilized community. Where everyone gets equal respect even if they have the misfortune to have too blessed.
[This message has been edited by Snowbird (edited 10-29-2000).]
), but thank you for your very gracious apology.
