Business As Usual

Pssst - a bill of sale does not necessarily mean money changed hands :winkgrin: It simply protects the “seller” and the “buyer” to show ownership has transferred.

When I bought my OTTB I did actually pay for him but even still, the farm he came from was very strict on their practices. The BM couldn’t find the actualy BOS file in the office so he hand wrote it for me. It listed the horse’s name, their name as a business, and my name. It listed his sale price and that he was being sold to a NON race home and he was not to return to the track at any time. It also stated he was being sold “as is” so if any issues arose they were not liable. We both signed it and he made several copies (I got one and he kept the other 3).

For any horse transferring from one person to the next, being sold or given away, it is in the best interest of both parties to have some sort of signed document to state X is transferring ownership of horse Y to Z. That way, if miss 4-H lady decides she’s got a good runner on her hands she can’t try to return the horse to the track (probably extremely difficult if there are no papers which I expect there aren’t) and it provides proof for you, or SB, or anyone else that the horse ended up somewhere. As well as establishes the horse was not stolen etc.

A Bill of Sale is just smart. That’s all. End of comment.

I really have no dog in this fight. I’m all for helping the horses. The constant bashing of SB isn’t solving the problem at hand. The ideas aren’t flowing and therefore very little action is taking place by majority of the posters on this thread. I’m rather far from Penn but if someone wants to put together some real efforts I’m all for doing what I can to help. I’m not in a financial position to take these horses (though I’d love to) and I certainly don’t have a place to put them even if someone where to pay for a horse to be in foster care. But, I will help ensure programs are established and rules followed if anyone wants to actually stick to the point of getting them set up. :slight_smile:

What Paranoia said :)**

I am still not understanding why the owners of these missing race horses haven’t filed for stolen property and listed their horses as stolen. I would. If I owned a million dollar yearling, paid trainers thousands of dollars and then the horse went missing I would file a report with the local police and find out WTH my horse was. Horse theft is still a hanging offense here in Texas. Every horse I have ever dealt with has had a bill of sale attached to it even if it was given away. I understand horses change hands a lot but still.

these are not million dollar horses with million dollar owners. These horses are at the end of their careers and the owners want them off the payroll. Racing is a business and owners, trainers etc need horses that actually pay the bills. The problem up at Penn is that the trainer/trainers in question have used questionable (at best) methods to get rid of these horses. Some of the methods used are in violation of an existing but unenforced policy. The repeated lying about the whereabouts of these horses has galled many people, as has the truly questionable “training” methods. There has been total unaccountabillity at all levels up there which is why this thread came to be. So there will not be lawsuits etc about these horses, because the parties involved do not give a rats patootie about them. Hopefully, due to the efforts of some on this thread and the new transition program Penn is putting in place will change this. I am the owner of a former Penn horse who had a lengthy career and was certainly deserving of a new careeer. Hopefully with light now shining on certain aspects up at Penn as well as new options for trainers with retiring animals, many will get the same opportunity to shine after their racing days are over.

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these are not million dollar horses with million dollar owners. These horses are at the end of their careers and the owners want them off the payroll. Racing is a business and owners, trainers etc need horses that actually pay the bills. The problem up at Penn is that the trainer/trainers in question have used questionable (at best) methods to get rid of these horses. Some of the methods used are in violation of an existing but unenforced policy. The repeated lying about the whereabouts of these horses has galled many people, as has the truly questionable “training” methods. There has been total unaccountabillity at all levels up there which is why this thread came to be. So there will not be lawsuits etc about these horses, because the parties involved do not give a rats patootie about them. Hopefully, due to the efforts of some on this thread and the new transition program Penn is putting in place will change this. I am the owner of a former Penn horse who had a lengthy career and was certainly deserving of a new careeer. Hopefully with light now shining on certain aspects up at Penn as well as new options for trainers with retiring animals, many will get the same opportunity to shine after their racing days are over.[/QUOTE]

EXACTLY:yes::yes:

Tick Tock. Tick Tock. David Wells, are you ready to talk? I here Darrel is going to cut a deal. I also here there are some pretty pissed off folks from Darrel’s past who have contacted the PSP because they want Darrel to be charged for old crimes. I guess Darrel’s diapers didn’t catch all the crap before it hit the ground in WV and LA.

I wonder if David knows they’ve had his phone tapped for the last six months. Better spill those guts, redhead.

what sort of old crimes? Sounds like this is more than just about horses and horse racing

not so hard to figure out who the screamer is.
http://www.yardandgroom.biz/horses/united-states/florida/litescameraction/104760

I, too, would love to know who the 4H “leader” is.

Heard today at Delaware that the management looked into the Caraman/Darryl connection and came up with nothing…

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Heard today at Delaware that the management looked into the Caraman/Darryl connection and came up with nothing…[/QUOTE]

Wrong…it will come out with the rest of the dirt

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Heard today at Delaware that the management looked into the Caraman/Darryl connection and came up with nothing…[/QUOTE]
If they came up with nothing they weren’t looking very hard:(

Besides Delaware he’s been running a lot of horses at Monmouth this year. Maybe Jersey authorities might have a bit more integrity? Especially since they haven’t been privatized yet?:cool:

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Heard today at Delaware that the management looked into the Caraman/Darryl connection and came up with nothing…[/QUOTE]

I have three words for you.

Cheeseburger and Paradise

Your hearsay information is completely false. If I were Caraman I wouldn’t plan on getting stalls next year at Delaware. Also, if I was Caraman I would hope to god the IRS isn’t investigating Delahoussaye (which they are) and hope to god again that probe would not extend to me.

Doing business via cash can only get you so far. After a while, there are too many questions without an appropriate answer. This applies to Edward Longo.

But hey, maybe they didn’t come up with anything.

My Heroine

:lol::lol::lol: what Paranoia said:D

Hearsay

Yes Paranoia, it was hearsay information. Something I heard from another trainer standing on the rail. I was surprised because DE takes that kind of thing pretty seriously. It looked to me that there was a connection after a quick search of the horses on equibase. Ultimately, I hope it is not true, especially after the breakdown a couple of weeks ago. I would have serious concerns running my horses against anyone with those type of connections…

So is this the quiet before the storm…or is it really all that calm out there…

in my experience things are never as calm as they seem.

Is it tighten your seat belt time???

the explosives are set in place, they know what they want to take down …
just waiting …

  who has the match?

teeter totter, teeter totter
on the see-saw.
which seat is getting hotter?

Cheese n crackers on order…

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Cheese n crackers on order…[/QUOTE]

Whats missing is the whine… but it’s nice for a change!