Business As Usual

[Barbara_L]

I THINK they coincided the $10 per start fee with an increase in the the pay back to last place so that the $10/fee per starter paid by the owner would not be felt, as it comes from money they previously were not earning. (I am 90% sure this is the way they are doing it).

This is the way we did it at Philadelphia Park two years ago, and it absolutely gives you a budget you can count on every month. No owner had bowed out of it and no one gets precedence on the waiting list unless they offer the full payment for each horse up front (above and beyond the $10/start), or we have an adopter waiting for a horse when he is retired (and then we do not have to pay from our budget to take care of him or rehab him).

[Las_Olas]

[QUOTE=SwtVixen;5091584]

Its owners, who have reaped all the benefits of their horses, and then when they arent producing, expect others to take responsiblity for their non-producing investments.

[/QUOTE]

Interesting, the last time I checked, trainers were ‘reaping’ a 20% benefit when a horse won, and wouldn’t you know, they don’t pay anything back to the owner when the horse loses. Who absorbs that cost? The owners. I’ve also never had a trainer offer to pay 20% of the vet bills either. So, trainers need to pony up, along with the owners, jockeys, valet, veterinarians, etc. Anyone who receives a paycheck from the racing industry needs to do their part and stop bitching about it.

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=sjdressage;5058602]
Heard today at Delaware that the management looked into the Caraman/Darryl connection and came up with nothing…[/QUOTE]

@judybigredpony;5058641

Wrong…it will come out with the rest of the dirt

@sjdressage;5060496

Yes Paranoia, it was hearsay information. Something I heard from another trainer standing on the rail. I was surprised because DE takes that kind of thing pretty seriously. It looked to me that there was a connection after a quick search of the horses on equibase. Ultimately, I hope it is not true, especially after the breakdown a couple of weeks ago. I would have serious concerns running my horses against anyone with those type of connections…

Ok,
So here’s some information that’s not heresay.
Sir Togo entered in race 7 on september 11th
Black Magic Mama entered in race 6 on september 13th

Both Delahoussaye horses. Both in his barn at the Grantville training center that he graces with his presence. Both running at Delaware and will ship down to run in Michael Caraman’s name. This is BS guys. Will sombody from Delaware Park that gives a crap have the stewards look into this AGAIN?! Disregard whatever it says on paper and whoever they were sold to for $1. This is Dellahoussaye thumbing his nose at these morons.

Also can anybody identify this Edward Longo? He is owner of record for most of these horses of his. I think we’ll find the buck stops for this nonsense with Michael Gill. He’s not out of this by a longshot.

[suffolk2002]

RE: Edward Longo

Does anyone have any more info than his name? City or state of residence, or another business or activity he’s engaged in? I could do some research, but I need more to go on than just a name. A quick search thru google shows any number of Edward Longo’s. Any info would help separate him from the others out there.

[KBEquine]

[QUOTE=Las Olas;5091800]
Interesting, the last time I checked, trainers were ‘reaping’ a 20% benefit when a horse won, and wouldn’t you know, they don’t pay anything back to the owner when the horse loses. Who absorbs that cost? The owners. I’ve also never had a trainer offer to pay 20% of the vet bills either. So, trainers need to pony up, along with the owners, jockeys, valet, veterinarians, etc. Anyone who receives a paycheck from the racing industry needs to do their part and stop bitching about it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, a little respect for the owners, please.

But as an owner who sometimes has horses run at Penn, I’m not at all upset with $10/start, so long as it helps every trainer’s horses, not just the horses of one or two.

[SwtVixen]

U Go Dick!

http://businessasusualdickhertz.blogspot.com/

[Profidia]

@Me;5092044

Ok,
So here’s some information that’s not heresay.
Sir Togo entered in race 7 on september 11th
Black Magic Mama entered in race 6 on september 13th

Both Delahoussaye horses. Both in his barn at the Grantville training center that he graces with his presence. Both running at Delaware and will ship down to run in Michael Caraman’s name. This is BS guys. Will sombody from Delaware Park that gives a crap have the stewards look into this AGAIN?! Disregard whatever it says on paper and whoever they were sold to for $1. This is Dellahoussaye thumbing his nose at these morons.

As said before, DD’s rig gone bright and early from the farm this morning:rolleyes:

[luvmytbs]

Has Penn National ever officially and publicly announced or displayed their supposed zero tolerance slaughter policy?

If so, will someone please enlighten us to where it can be found.

[Laurierace]

Pretty sure Penn State cares more about slaughtering opposing football teams than slaughtering horses. The University of Pennsylvania has New Bolton Center which does do some research the requires that horses be euthanized to see the results from whatever they are studying but I certainly wouldn’t consider that slaughter either.

[luvmytbs]

@Laurierace;5093248

Pretty sure Penn State cares more about slaughtering opposing football teams than slaughtering horses. The University of Pennsylvania has New Bolton Center which does do some research the requires that horses be euthanized to see the results from whatever they are studying but I certainly wouldn’t consider that slaughter either.

LOL, Laurie.

DUH…

I ment Penn National. That’s what happens when you have some dudes talking football in the backyard.

Corrected question in prior post.

[Laurierace]

The only place I have ever seen Penn National’s slaughter policy in print is on the overnight. That is a very common way a track communicates with horseman. Not sure if it appeared elsewhere as well.

[luvmytbs]

Laurie,

would it be possible for you to safe one of those IF they ever “announce” it again on an overnight???

[Laurierace]

I don’t ever get overnights. I look them up on equibase if needed. They are free so anybody could get one.

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=Me;5092044]
Ok,
So here’s some information that’s not heresay.
Sir Togo entered in race 7 on september 11th[/QUOTE]
Horse was steward scratched. Anybody know why?

Black Magic Mama entered in race 6 on september 13th

Once again we see DD’s rig gone from the farm bright and early this morning. Must have been another coincidence:rolleyes:
I promise to continue to harp about this crap till something is done about it!

[QUOTE=suffolk2002;5092301]RE: Edward Longo

Does anyone have any more info than his name? City or state of residence, or another business or activity he’s engaged in? I could do some research, but I need more to go on than just a name. A quick search thru google shows any number of Edward Longo’s. Any info would help separate him from the others out there.[/QUOTE]
I’ll see what I can find out:yes: Thanks much:cool:

[SwtVixen]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;5095834]
Laurie,

would it be possible for you to safe one of those IF they ever “announce” it again on an overnight???[/QUOTE]

It is posted > full statement by Frank Quiqley… on the pn anti-slaughter policy in this thread… somewhere back in the 70’s pages… post #1576
it went in effect I believe June 30th… so check back at those dates…

[system]

Much ado about nothing !!!

Penn National Gaming Incorporated will never enforce their anti-slaughter policy no matter what evidence is brought before them. Their resident horse slaughterer and HBPA member Clovis Crane is a frequent visitor at New Holland because he knows this to be the case. No need to continue discussing a policy that will never get enforced. Robert Marella would be incapable of enforcing a parking ticket for the people who park in the handicap spots let alone enforce this policy. I often wonder if Rob makes his own ham sandwich he packs for work each day.

[SwtVixen]

PN Anti-Slaughter Policy

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;5095834]
Laurie,

would it be possible for you to safe one of those IF they ever “announce” it again on an overnight???[/QUOTE]

Penn National Gaming Anti-Slaughter Policy

Below is a copy of the letter from Penn National Gaming, Inc. regarding their new anti-slaughter policy.

March 30, 2010

Board of Directors
PA HBPA
PO Box 88
Grantville, PA 17028

Re: Penn National Gaming Anti-Slaughter Policy

Board Members of the HBPA:

As you know, the horse racing industry continues to be plagued by the existence of horsemen who sell their horses to brokers for resale and slaughter. Penn National Gaming is opposed to this practice and the inhumane treatment of the animals by those engaged in it. To clarify our position, we are issuing the following policy statement, to be effective immediately:

“Any horsemen stabled at a Penn National Gaming, Inc. owned or operated horse racing facility who knowingly, or without conducting proper due diligence, sells a horse for slaughter, directly or indirectly, will have his or her stalls revoked and may, in addition, be barred from all of our racing properties. Penn National Gaming, Inc. requires that horsemen participating at the Company’s racetracks conduct proper due diligence on those buying horses and encourages horsemen participating at Penn National facilities and industry-wide to support rescue and adoption efforts and to seek humane means of dealing with horses unable to continue racing.”

You will note the requirement for “due diligence” on the part of horsemen. Turning a blind eye is not acceptable.

HCPNRC requests that the PA HBPA and its members stand in opposition to inhumane treatment and slaughter of horses. We ask that you take an active role in ensuring this practice does not happen here. Should any horsemen become aware of any such activity, please notify HCPNRC Security immediately, so that appropriate action can be taken.

We look forward to your commitment in working to prevent any mistreatment of these equine athletes.

Yours truly,

Frank Quigley
Vice President & General Manager

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=Me;5092044]
Ok,

Black Magic Mama entered in race 6 on september 13th

[/QUOTE]Steward scratched as well. Delahoussaye’s flunkies brought her back to the farm at 09:30 yesterday morning. Many thanks to the folks in Delaware.

Now we have Sir Togo entered in the 5th and One Big Cat in the 6th on the 19th at Philly. Again these horses are Delahoussaye’s with Michael Caraman of Florida being good enough to serve as program trainer. These guys can certainly run rings around the fools in the racing offices all day long as they’ve done for years but it gets decidedly more difficult if the entire racing community rats out every move they make. I’m sure Dickie has his eye on it.:winkgrin:

They have been moving quite a few horses around lately though. For some reason his rig even went into Penn briefly. This was interesting being as the place is closed? Is also interesting that DD hasn’t been seen anywhere in at least a couple of weeks. All this racing and horse moving is being done by his mexicans while he lays low. Advice of counsel possibly? Anybody out there see DD?

[judybigredpony]

Well he is kinda hard to disguise???

Wow long time not much news, course with track closed see Ms “B” moved some hers to CT to keep them galloping just temporary…

[frugalannie]

Profidia and Judy, I salute you for keeping these issues in front of the COTH audience. No snark at all. Really sincere admiration.