Business As Usual

[QUOTE=SwtVixen;5163016]
That was my point

               --- that there are many who buy/retrain/yes, sell, hopefully for enough profit to buy more and retrain more....

 and without the benefits of being a rescue...or the free advertising of Canter -- but advertise and sell professionally.

can you imagine what one could to with a 25k grant and funding besides?

    a lot more than 2 in a season.

    but typically as happens when there are more people in the organizational end of projects than folks actually getting the job done....its the horses that get lost in the shuffle and found by people like Christy Sheidy and Brian Moore.[/QUOTE]

Yes but I sell for way more than the rescue will…and I can’t take or re-sell a horse who has or had a pre-exisitng condition. Like chips or wind problems.

I cap at age 7 and even thats only for the exceptional.

I am taking the cream off the top and the next layers down are very extensive. Those horses will benefit fron this supposed prgram. Which I understood has already rented 2 facilities??

I have to cater to my buyers whims and constantly re-invent the wheel and prove over and over Thoroughbreds are just as competitive in any show ring venue as a Warmblood.

My clientele are not AC4H clients we don’t pull from the same pool. we aren’t buying from the same pool,

tb’s Can!

Oh no… not meant to compete with rescues…but hopefully educate the buying public that there ARE quality tb’s
to be purchased before they advertise on www.bigeq.com at
reasonable prices (perhaps thats a subjective word :D).

    I find its a shame that someone buys a horse off-track for a *deal*... then spends thousands on undiagnosed issues when 

they could have spent that on a nicely started and begin showing within a month!.

  I like to see folks go through the rescues, especially if they ARE on a budget...the horses have been assessed, vetted, and come with some *guarantee(said loosely)*. I recommend them all the time >>pokes BAS/MAR!

  But the next level rider who doesnt want to start with a total greenie --- would benefit from having contact with that next group of horses (started and showing)--- maybe those trainers need to start a site called >>>canter-up? (reaching here judy).

  I am beginning to see trainers consider retiring earlier.

But the next level rider who doesnt want to start with a total greenie — would benefit from having contact with that next group of horses (started and showing)— maybe those trainers need to start a site called >>>canter-up? (reaching here judy).

We are out here and Stueart Pittman over at DoDon Farm down here in MD is slowly putting together a plan to help use middle people pool our advertising resources in just that format.
Its the advertising that becomes expensive and cumbersome trying to reach as many diverse clientele bases as possible.

Certainly the tracks could help us w/ more show cases and some free advertising on their own home webb sites???

Its Official

Subpeona’s were served this morning in the racing office…
specifically to Paul Jenkins.

Some folks are wondering how many sedatives the Queen is taking 

  The coverup is blown ... the flipping is next to come

 Thanks to Dicks persisitance that those in postion do their jobs.....

Judybigredpony-

Where are you and do you have a website? i have a friend who’s been looking for over a year for nice 15.2 ish hand quiet horse at a reasonable price that’s sound. It’s amazing how much over priced lame crap is on the market these days.
The biggest hinderance I see in the resale business is that we are no longer producing horseman, so they can’t ride anything that isn’t already made and broke to death. It’s very sad. Those of us with enough experience to bring along a green horse have been priced out of the market I’m afraid. I’ve been riding for over 40 years and I am about to quit because I can’t find anything that I can afford. I am afraid for the horse business as we know it.

CANTER Mid Atlantic has already had a retraining program in place for several years and we actually do have horses that are the cream of the crop. Yes, a few have had very minor injuries that have been rehabbed slowly but otherwise we have fields full of lovely sound horses.

Our group has worked very hard with trainers to get them to donate horses and be ensured that they will get the required time off, proper retraining and be placed in the best of homes. There are still MANY trainers who care more about the home than the money but you have to prove to them you are legit and not just there to flip the horses for a quick buck.

All of our horses get minimum of 2 months of turnout to just be a horse before they are even available to be sold. Then we start to put the basics on them. They learn to w/t/c, jump courses, go trail riding, go off the farm and go to little shows. They have a lot of mileage put on so that we can figure out what jobs they want to do, what type of person they will fit and soundness. They all get teeth done, chiro and feet fixed. They are given as much time as they need.

I believe the horses we have are priced very fairly but at the same time these are super nice sound horses and if you want to return money to your operation like a responsible organization should then you should have a business plan in place to make money. We are trying to take horses that are sound and will be able to be rehomed fairly easy in the market.

We can save a lot more horses by taking the sound horses that find homes compared to horses that are unsound and can’t be rehomed. Judybigredpony- our program moves a lot of horses so I would argue that rescues that have programs like CANTER does can compete quite successfully with a regular person who is retraining. I basically volunteer to do the retraining and do all the work with the horses. We now have several people who are highly qualified in retraining these guys and we are moving horses left and right. People are eager to buy horses that are restarted properly and priced realistically.

I find that the buying public can be very restrictive in their horse shopping habits. I have a field full of lovely sound 15.3 ish mares who are all flashy. Yet, no interest in them at all. Now the 16+ h geldings are in demand and I get tons and tons of emails but when you say they are $2500 people think they can do better elsewhere. Ha, let them go to the track and buy them, then let them down, then do the teeth, then vet out the minor issues, then spend the time to get the feet right and chiro and all the other basic mileage. Tell me how much that cost;) Not to mention you are buying unknown and taking a risk the horse will do the job you intend for it to do. Very hard to tell standing there looking at a horse at the track. Not to say there is anything wrong from buying from the track but it does have it’s risks.

I work with Bev from Mid Atlantic Horse Rescue to help trainers move some horses and she will take some of sound horses that we might not have room for. The have the same sort of program and they are successful at moving horses. They also give them time off and then get them restarted. Horses are priced at $2k and up.

It really comes down to marketing and networking. I find a lot of people still don’t know we have a program in place where horses are getting training. We are reaching out to a lot of upper level riders across the disciplines and marketing our horses to them. We now have a good system in place where people are coming to us eager to buy horses that are let down and restarted properly. I have seen the retraining program grow and the number of horses we are placing increase.

One of the hardest things to overcome when you are a rescue advertising horses is to make people understand that the horses don’t have anything wrong with them. Rescue is a very negative word to many people so I always try to phrase it as ā€œrehoming.ā€ I get giddy when I head to our layup farms and look at all the lovely horses we have hanging out ready to get going.

http://www.threeplainbays.com/

[QUOTE=SwtVixen;5169911]
Subpeona’s were served this morning in the racing office…
specifically to Paul Jenkins.

Some folks are wondering how many sedatives the Queen is taking 

  The coverup is blown ... the flipping is next to come

 Thanks to Dicks persisitance that those in postion do their jobs.....[/QUOTE]

Interesting… recent intell was that the investigation was winding down? Guess (and hope) not.

More Grist For the Mill

Hah…I heard tell that our own Dickie Hertz got served with same paper…wonder if he got a shovel as well for the dirt???

Or this could all be speculation, inuendo,drama all intended to keep the viewers tuned for more… ofā€¦ā€œAs the PitchFork Turnsā€

I didnt know about Dick, but the serving in the front office is a fact.

Yeh…Dickie got paper as well…looking for a shovel now.

DD watch 10/29

Delahoussaye Gone!

My sources tell me DD has pulled up stakes and left Pennsylvania. All of his horses are gone from the farm although he still has a good bit of equipment there including his car.

Rumor has it that he’s gone to either Thistledown in Ohio or Bowie in Maryland. Can anyone at either of those places give us some verification?

He can run but he can’t hide:winkgrin:

I cannot believe I just added ā€œDelahoussaye, Darrelā€ to my Equibase virtual stable . . .

And yet I did.

Cor.ikey!
Ahmazing thread. Just ahhmazing. Well done. :cool:

(but yeah gotta agree with what someone else said about a hundred pages back [ :eek: ]; much as i’m also aghast and despise the whole slaughter thing, this thread really could’ve done without much of anti slaughter posts…)

Don’t know that i’ve ever come across a thread, anywhere, that’s had quite so many ā€œbaningsā€ as this one! :confused:

To the OP, if by some small chance you see this, I’ve got one word for ya: Respect.

Whew. and I thought that racing in Australia could be dodgy at times? This thread has channelled Dick Francis (at his worst)… maybe all the Penn race club protagonists thought his novels were text books?

[QUOTE=KBEquine;5188680]
I cannot believe I just added ā€œDelahoussaye, Darrelā€ to my Equibase virtual stable . . .

And yet I did.[/QUOTE]
Until he gets reinstated after charges against him get dropped (which will in all likelihood happen thanks to his ratting out so many other people) I’d recommend watching Michael Caraman, Jay Budrewicz, Harry Hepbron and I suspect another soon to be paper trainer who I’ll not yet name until I’m sure their running horses for him.

Owners Henry Witt, especially Edward Longo, and of course Michael Gill are all associated with him regardless of who’s name you see in the program.

It’s also interesting to note that Gill’s Elk Creek Ranch has been taken off the market. It never did cease operations. There have been DD employees living there all along and I’d strongly suspect that is where his stable went. In all likelihood the Thistledown and Bowie stories were for outward consumption and I’ll not believe it until somebody out there confirms his presence.

If he’s at Elk Creek like I think he is, we can thank this website, the DD watch, and most especially Dick Hertz for running him out of the Grantville training center he’s been darkening with his presence:)

Ah well if he’s at Elk we will soon know…Nancy Drew’s posse will be on the trail.

I’ve been to Elk Creek Ranch, that property backs up to my farm. I’ve stopped there for a couple reasons, one time I had a dog from the worker’s house that kept coming over and it ended up going back to the rescue along with the other dog from that house. So is Elk Creek Ranch Michael Gill’s farm?

I think it’s for sale again so I hope this time it gets sold to someone decent. That farm has been a problem, such a nice property too, about 45 acres.

Who lives or works near Elk Creek Ranch? Do you know the other trainers on that road and area, like McGreevy my neighbor and Simoff?

I was just on his blog site and he has a post the final farewell, and that he is signing off, any idea why? How are we now to keep track of the situation?

Hmmmm, me thinks Dear Dickie cut a deal to keep his mouth shut for the time being???

Lets wait for November 16th and see if thats why the Queen was shedding tears the other day???