How can you implement that?
Did she break down after the work? Equibase has her working on 1/4/11 3f in 36.60 handily.
Its TRUE Neal ParkerâŠour Dickie Hertz was summarily removed from the Retirement program. The reason was for alleged negative comments made on a blog about politicians who the HBPA maintains they have close tithes with. Meanwhile, Contrary is still missing and nobody on the HBPA seems to care.
When will those people grown UP!!
Its always so âThere Ballâ and no one else can playâŠ
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âŠAnd did I mention that Red Nickelâs trainer was caught up in sending one of his staff out to scout out another horse to claim before Nickel was even room temperature??? His comment heard in the barn before she went out to breeze and die was âSheâll either make it through this today or she is out of here!!!â And a year plus of torture is a kinder fate that the auction or killers? None are kind and right but to prolong a horseâs suffering day in and day out for over a year??? The issue here is principles, ethics and RETIREMENT BEFORE catastrophic breakdown occurs. Especially if the trainer in question serves on the board of an HBPA who touts retirement for ex racers like a wearing a hair shirt.:mad:[/QUOTE]
The trainer in question has always been a loudmouth. It is inexcusable for him or any trainer to do this to a horse and they should lose their license. The new retirement program at Penn is a joke. I tried to get one of my horses in the program but they said he wasnât eligible because of when he last started and his injury yet they are taking $10.00 out of my account every time I run a horse. The rules they have in place eliminate most of the horses. The HBPA board, president and executive director are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They do not really care about the horses, they just want to make it appear as though they do and that they are doing something. Next HBPA election better have some better candidates than this.
WTF?
If politcal views can cause removals, letâs look at the views of the others in the program. Iâm sure thereâs some fodder to be found
The crap thats still going on is wellâŠBusiness as usuallyâŠ
Iâll lend you for a little while
my grandest foal he said
For you to love while sheâs alive
and mourn for while sheâs dead.
It may be one or twenty years
or days or months you see
But will you till I take her back
Take care of her for me?
Sheâll bring her charms to gladden you
and should her stay be brief
Youâll have treasured memories
As solace for your grief.
I cannot promise she will stay
Since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught on earth
I want this foal to learn.
Iâve looked the wide world over
In my search for teachers true.
And from the throngs that crowd lifeâs lanes
With trust, I have selected you.
Now will you give her your total love?
Nor think the labor vain,
Nor hate me when I come
To take her back again.
I know youâll give her tenderness
And love will bloom each day.
And for the happiness youâve known
Forever grateful stay.
But should I come and call for her
Much sooner than youâd planned
Youâll brave the bitter grief that comes
And someday youâll understand.
Author unknown
With deepest sympathies to Giddyap Girl and any others who knew her. Sheâll not be forgotten.
RIP Red Nickle 2005-2011
http://equibase.com/premium/eqbHorseInfo.cfm?refno=7484262®istry=T
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The trainer in question has always been a loudmouth. It is inexcusable for him or any trainer to do this to a horse and they should lose their license. The new retirement program at Penn is a joke. I tried to get one of my horses in the program but they said he wasnât eligible because of when he last started and his injury yet they are taking $10.00 out of my account every time I run a horse.[/QUOTE] Excellent point. At $10 a head every night with mostly full fields it doesnât take a genius to see that an awful lot of money is being raked in. Hopefully someone is keeping a good watch on them and subjecting them to regular audits.
The rules they have in place eliminate most of the horses. The HBPA board, president and executive director are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They do not really care about the horses, they just want to make it appear as though they do and that they are doing something. Next HBPA election better have some better candidates than this.
Youâre right again. Also, can anybody tell me what Todd Mostoller does to merit an $80,000 a year salary? Those who serve as officers of such organizations should rightfully be volunteers.
Check this out, a real good read:
http://foolishpleasure-valerie.blogspot.com/2010/05/lament-for-horse-racing-in-pennsylvania.html
Iâm going to ask a very stupid questionâŠgoing to get told its a stupid questionâŠso here goes naive stupidity.
Why are we âŠall of use the punters, owners, trainers, grooms hot walkers, and horse loving lurkers, Allowing the continued demise of racing conditions, why are we taking the crap the track officals dish out??..because they have the proverbial âweâll take our bag of marbles awayâ and you wonât have any where else to play??
We have voices, rights, votes and pay taxes.
Deep pockets no, but there are lobbist and lawyers who love a fight. Canât we use our strengths??
Americans love horsesâŠFact.
Horse racing is older than America. Fact
Its a sport where an under dog can and has prevailed to national stardom. Fact
They let us get wrapped up and deflected by Stepahnie Beattie and Micheal Gill, cause it to some extent kept us off their back while the continue to undermine racing.
Our Dickie is keeping up the good fight and getting kicked for it.
We think Penn is bad, try getting stalls at Charlestown. with a HUGE amount of empty stalls, they are still taking stalls from horseman, and denying stalls to trainers with running strings.
Why would any track deny stalls to a trainer with a big off site operation, who makes his start #âs and win precentagesâ and isnât on any hit list for bad tests??
There is most certainly a much bigger agenda and we all know what it isâŠloose the horse racingâŠ
Its not just the racing community who looses when a track closes, it affects a local communities infrastructer and finacial well being.
This is not about corruption or bad management.
Its a much bigger picture with a bleaker out come.
Now wheres the reports and statistics for the new âretirement Program?â
Who has a horse in the program??
Who has beena ble to avail themselves of affordable euthinasia??
Wasnât the premise of the program to accept, triage and place horses where they âfitâ Best??
Ridable salvegable/sound to re-train, pasture sound to retire, those w/ no quality of pain free life euthanised.???
ItsâŠwe got the Casinoâs, we got slots, now we got gaming tablesâŠwe donât need no stinking horses!!!
and the queue of horses leaving the track, heading to dark places continuesâŠ
And it will until the track takes a smart look at who comes thru the gate.
When its like a gooseneck/stock rig and they buy in bulk?? Like doesnât that send alarm bells.
Most private buyers and re-starters may buy 1-2 and come back in a few months but 3 or more every monthâŠding ding ding.
Or its just a regular pick up at the farm/residence of those UNwanted horses every Sunday.
So what exactley is the deal w/ the new Retirerment program???
6 horses so far???
Wasnât this going to stop horses going to slaughter or the Farm/residence pick-up.
werenât the horses going to be evaluated and put into retirement, re-trained or put down??
Does anyone have any idea how the funds are being spent? Donât guys like Mr. Mostoller have some sort of accountability to the horseman whoâs money is garnered.
What is the criteriaâŠSwtvixen is there any paper work you can get that out lines their mission statement??
The amount of horses that go thru Turning For Home looks to be alot more than this new program.
Is there a waiting list???
Here are the guidelines from their own website:
http://www.hbpa.org/newsPdfs/28/NVPA_Guidelines.pdf
The thing I find most interesting is that for horses not fitting their narrow criteria theyâll refer you to CANTER or TRF.
Makes one wonder just what in the world is the point of this? Anybody who wants to use those groups always could have done so anyway. No secret there, these groups already exist and do a good job.
I must agree with Judy. This thing is generating a lot of money but accountability is a little hard to find.
One more thing about Mostoller, a quick check of equibase comes up empty. 'Nuther words there is no record of this guy ever training a horse in his life yet he holds the Executive Director and Secretary-Treasurer offices simultaneously. Can anybody out there tell me what connection to racing or the horse industry this overpaid individual has?
hey! prime example
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The trainer in question has always been a loudmouth. It is inexcusable for him or any trainer to do this to a horse and they should lose their license. The new retirement program at Penn is a joke. I tried to get one of my horses in the program but they said he wasnât eligible because of when he last started and his injury yet they are taking $10.00 out of my account every time I run a horse. The rules they have in place eliminate most of the horses. The HBPA board, president and executive director are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They do not really care about the horses, they just want to make it appear as though they do and that they are doing something. Next HBPA election better have some better candidates than this.[/QUOTE]
I had to go back and find this. Let me ask, how critical are your horses injuries that keeps him from the PN retirement program? I know its been asked, but....... didnt this program promise solution for EVERY horse in some manner?
Here is the example of someone being turned away.
>!? Who is to be held accountable for this?
ok, add in ..: What about those trainers who have put horses on farms for lay up? aren't they still eligible in this program, --- they DID run at PN afterall.
ok, I just followed the link that Profidia posted ..
guidelines are pretty narrow and translated â only sound, sellable horses need apply, all others SOL, however, we will offer a short trip to the pit.
Wow. Pretty clear they really donât want to be bothered with many horses, isnât it?
I want to know where that money is going too!
http://www.hbpa.org/newsPdfs/28/NVPA_Guidelines.pdf
WTF is this Corprate mumbo jumboâŠyou are assesed $10.00 per start per horse for a program you canât even use.
Have you gone to the site and read every horses BioâŠtheres 19yr old Former BroodmareâŠnot from PA
A older horse who already has a show careerâŠnot from PA
Oh yeah and a few bows, damaged stifles, debris in knees, several not suitable for jumping???
And PA has such stringent guidelines for entry to this ProgramâŠgive me a break. There was not 1 horse I would have bought or been given that I want âŠnow mind you I have to let down and re-train, find their job strenght, then Re-sell @ a profit and expect the horse to Pass A PPEâŠ
Say swtVxn whereâs this so called Lay-up farm in Oxford and who runs it.
i am like 15 minutes away, buy feed in town there and havenât heard a peep about anyone getting this contract??
Not from Vetâs or Farriers. Must be a Secret 
Mr. Mostoller kinda like the man behind the doorâŠThe WizardâŠ
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Wow. Pretty clear they really donât want to be bothered with many horses, isnât it?
I want to know where that money is going too![/QUOTE]
Additionally,
They have this thing registered as a 501©(3) charity. This makes any contributions 100% tax deductible. However, under the tax laws of this country they can legally use up to 90% of money brought in for salaries, administrative costs etc.
Youâre correct in wanting some accountability for this money. Especially seeing as Todd Mostoller is on this committee as well. These people in their arrogance tend to think everybody is stupid. How many horsemen actually voted for this thing? Anybody?
Also, what about local trainers who canât get stalls at Penn? Their forced to run out of town making them and their horses ineligible. Unfortunately 6f and 1 mile 70yds races are not appropriate for everyone. Is nothing more than a program created by and for the inner clique.
Wait, so what NV gets to do is pick and choose for totally sound/marketable horses and pass the âdregsâ off to other groups who donât have the luxury of any funding whatsoever from this program? Classy!
Seems Penn missed the mark here. Finding homes for sound, marketable horses doesnât seem to be a problem based on the booming CANTER listings. Donât they sell a few hundred a year out of there?
What incentive do people have to donate a horse rather than sell itâif it is sound and marketable?
Rocking program that will certainly protect the horses who need it the most. WTG PN!
Well the way I always understood NV is that they do focus on the horses that can have jobs and go on to do work. So Iâm not really super duper surprised by that.
On the other hand, that canât be the âtotalâ of the retirement âplanâ at Penn. It leaves all the horses who need help completely out of the equation - the only horses theyâd accept are the types of horses the owners and trainers could just sell directly rather easily.
So they actually have NO plan, as far as the horses who actually need help here.
Besides, âhey, call these other people to take care of the more broken horses, even though they are not getting a penny of funding through the start fees weâre collecting.â
I know Iâm a little biased here but I canât help it, this makes me a little bit miffed. Not so much at NV but really, what the heck is the actual plan here?
