[QUOTE=Laurierace;4652050]
Yeah that could work but you still have to prove that he knew the horse had a fracture otherwise he pleads ignorance. One of his other favorite pastimes[/QUOTE]
I know… and he’d have to agree to release the xrays, so the chances are pretty much non existent… but… it’s worth a shot.
Post on Paulick Report
Hi Folks,
I posted this on the Paulick Report forum. I’ve had it. I am sick over this whole situation.
And, as an aside, who else on this COTH board posts on the Paulick site? I think I’m recognizing alternative identities…one who I am peeved with (ohhhh, Hallie is peeved). There just seem to be a few people who don’t get it; I mean, they have less experience in the sport and aren’t seeing the full ramifications.
Oh well. Check out my letter below.
"January 30th, 2010 at 6:35 pm - Paulick Report forum
Haligator says:
Okay Folks,
Let’s support these jockeys that refuse to ride. I suggest everyone one of us ‘Adopt-A-Jockey’ (we can share jockeys to raise the funds) and donate a certain amount of money each time a rider turns down a race because of the situation. The track is going to try to pressure them to ride by threatening fines, etc. Well, the least we can do is make sure these guys and gals have some money to survive the coming storm. They risk their lives everyday and they don’t need further risks dumped on them.
The average jockey in this sport barely gets by on the pittance they are paid as is for ‘riding fees.’ I’m sick of it (and don’t get me started on how many exercise riders, grooms, and hotwalkers are paid).
What say you all? Even if you pledged a dollar each time a certain rider had to walk away from a mount it would help. If we band together on this and support the jockeys change will hopefully come. If not, fans will continue to flee this sport." - Haligator aka Hallie McEvoy
How do you all feel about this idea?
Hallie
Hi Hallie! I should be sleeping but I can’t.
It comes down to this. Any time that money is on the line for performance, no matter the sport, there will be people who will bend rules, cheat, and bribe.
Without better testing and medication rules and a unified governing body to enforce those rules, it is left to the people within the sport to out the cheaters and manipulators. If you do nothing, you support the status quo.
I applaud the jockeys for stepping up and hope there are enough true horsemen out there to stand behind them.
There are things I still love about horse racing, but my allegiance is with the horses, first and foremost, always. Some of the things going on every day to keep these blue collar horses running may technically not be illegal, but you (all) know as well as I do that it’s just damned morally wrong to do to a living creature with such heart.
If kowtowing to the Michael Gills of the world and allowing the safe harbor of trainers who outright neglect horses --like the shoe scraping I bought my latest from-- is really what it takes for tracks to keep the sport alive, then racing needs to die.
[QUOTE=Barnfairy;4652841]
If kowtowing to the Michael Gills of the world and allowing the safe harbor of trainers who outright neglect horses --like the shoe scraping I bought my latest from-- is really what it takes for tracks to keep the sport alive, then racing needs to die.[/QUOTE]
This facility sounds almost unbelievably dysfunctional.
Vets who can’t (or are afraid to) call a lame horse, trainers who can’t tell a lame horse or have no problem running one, track officials who look the other way and let their place run like this, chart-callers who go along with pen in hand, backside workers who are obviously not coming forward, and other trainers and owners… mute as well?
Is it just me, or doesn’t it take an awful lot of individuals to do nothing that would allow this kind of collusion to take place? For how many years?
What exactly is going on over there that needs such …“protection”? Do they cut off your thumbs or something?
Also, reading about so much general dysfunction, am I to actually believe there is only “one” Gill-type individual at this kind of place? At this point, it would be hard for me to consider this just a Michael Gill problem, because it seems like places like this allow, and encourage, his kind to FLOURISH.
It sounds like the only “big guys” in this are the jocks…though they be small in physical stature. 
I don’t mean to be insulting, but I’m rather incredulous at this point.
[quote]This facility sounds almost unbelievably dysfunctional.
perhaps, but then, this might offer opportunity for improvements.[QUOTE=Barnfairy;4652841]
If kowtowing to the Michael Gills of the world and allowing the safe harbor of trainers who outright neglect horses --like the shoe scraping I bought my latest from-- is really what it takes for tracks to keep the sport alive, then racing needs to die.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%.
Roger Stein interveiw with Mr. Gill- I’m done for good this time http://www.rogerstein.com/radio/archive2.asp Todays show will be available soon
[QUOTE=lily04;4653403]
Roger Stein interveiw with Mr. Gill- I’m done for good this time http://www.rogerstein.com/radio/archive2.asp Todays show will be available soon[/QUOTE]
Well I can’t wait to hear what he has to say, but, it’s obvious he couldn’t provide answers to many questions, including what has happened to over a hundred horses.
Not to mention those with first hand knowledge of how that organization operates behind the scenes and has brought that information to the attention of those who know how to use it.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;4648017]
Might need to cross post in Off course and H/J…
Dumb question, how can you get tattoo numbers for a horse you don’t own that you don’t know is on the truck?[/QUOTE]
Sorry to be late on this, or if it has already been answered… Ontario Racing Commission has a lasix list which is handy to find the tattoo/name of any horse who has been placed on lasix from a post morning work or post race scope.
http://www.ontarioracingcommission.com/PDF_reports/Lasix_List.pdf
If any of those horses were in Canada at the start of their career, or lasix use, you could get their tattoo by searching the list. Perhaps other racing commissions have such a list too.
ATTEN: Hallie
Hey Hallie, I trust you and I have a little money in my paypal acct., so let me know if you get your idea off the ground. I’m in TX, so can’t really go hand it to the jockeys myself :no:
hoping for a good outcome
first of all i know nothing about the racing industry other than what i have read online in these forums, books and the research i did before purchasing my first ottb in december but this is perhaps the most heartwrenching, sickening, saddening and disillusioning thread i have ever read.
i am so very glad there are people out there like the posters on this thread that do care about these incredible animals and their livelihoods and want to better the industry and keep the sport a sport, and a respectable one. thank you for what you are doing and thank you for taking a stand on issues like this.
as i read though this 25 page thread from start to finish, i thought about my mare and her 67 starts in three years on what i assume to be fairly “low end” tracks. i had tears streaming down my face as i thought about whether any of the training “methods” mentioned on this thread had been done to her and how many times she ran perhaps in pain or with her joints injected inappropriately. i fell in love with her immediately and though she is 17 hands and raced until she was six, she is currently sound and has no “jewelry” from her racing days besides an odd looking (blown?) vein in her neck.
i wish there was something more we could do as ottb lovers and eventers who dont really know anything about racing besides that we are lucky to have the “track trash” we get. i say “track trash” lovingly with no sarcasm intended, i assure you. anyway, please post things like this on the eventing thread because most of us are extraordinarily passionate about our ottb’s, and are willing to participate in any worthy and even slightly dangerous cause we can get ourselves into. what other discipline do you know of that PAYS incredibly high fees to risk life and limb for NO money and no fame? we love a challenge, so let us help if we can!
i remember hearing this gill guys name a few months ago when someone who had just gotten an ottb from charlestown had him listed as owner and a few of the more track savvy coth posters were telling her to be careful about getting horses from him. i am looking for the thread now but if i remember correctly, he turned up lame.
keep us updated and i cant wait for the day when you can change the name of this thread!
Bless You Toadie’s Mom!
Hi Toadie’s Mom,
You are a doll! SuzanneP and DickHertz are in the process of speaking with a jockey’s agent (a good guy) at Penn National about setting up a dedicated jockey PayPal account. Funds from this account would then be distributed to the jockeys at Penn National who are putting their careers on the line by not riding under the circumstances that have been described. These jockeys are taking the hard line to show compassion both to horses and their fellow riders.
Several people have just stepped forward to donate and I’m proud to tell you that you are one of the first! You will, and others too, make a huge difference in the several probable outcomes. If there is a groundswell of support for the jockeys in terms of money, letters, and outrage, they will prevail.
Penn National Jockeys, there are a large number of us that care and are concerned for your well-being, as well as concern for the mounts you pilot.
I can’t begin to thank you enough Toadie’s Mom. Watch this thread for the PayPal announcement.
Hugs,
Hallie
“We are all in a small boat on a stromy sea, and we owe each other a fierce and terrible loyalty” - GK Chesterton
[QUOTE=haligator;4654534]
Hi Toadie’s Mom,
You are a doll! SuzanneP and DickHertz are in the process of speaking with a jockey’s agent (a good guy) at Penn National about setting up a dedicated jockey PayPal account. Funds from this account would then be distributed to the jockeys at Penn National who are putting their careers on the line by not riding under the circumstances that have been described. These jockeys are taking the hard line to show compassion both to horses and their fellow riders.[QUOTE] Please let me know if you get this done. I was going to have the horsemans bookkepper transfer funds from my owner account to my favorite jocks account if Penn did not resolve this. A dedicated account for all jocks is a better idea. Thankyou
Many pages back it was mentioned if Gill was boycotted by the sources he relied on it could be the straw that would break him.
Someone poohooed the idea citing lawsuits would ensue.
Let us know when you have a paypal account set-up:)
for those bales of straw.
I shudder to think what will happen to his horses. Sounds like he’s nasty enough to just load them all up and ship them straight to Canada. :no:
[QUOTE=Laurierace;4655782]
And he is quitting AGAIN. Hopefully for good this time.
http://www.drf.com/news/article/110504.html[/QUOTE]
Famous last words. I don’t see it happening.
Like catching a cold every winter, he’ll return.
[QUOTE=judybigredpony;4655896]
Many pages back it was mentioned if Gill was boycotted by the sources he relied on it could be the straw that would break him.
Someone poohooed the idea citing lawsuits would ensue.
Let us know when you have a paypal account set-up:)
for those bales of straw.[/QUOTE]
It might be a few more days, but we’re getting there.
[QUOTE=lily04;4655978]
http://www.rogerstein.com/radio/archive2.asp it’s up now.[/QUOTE]
Per Paulick Report did Stein really remark:
“You might be a tough guy, but you’re a good-hearted tough guy,” Stein said to Gill. “When you leave, they’ll never replace you, Michael…after looking at everything I feel for you.”
What a bizarre thing to say by Stein.
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