At least Ray [who is no Boy Scout either] is casting some public light on the roaches with this recent topic and noted examples of violations.
The previous threads have obviously been peppered by comments from Gill cronies (if not Gill himself using an alias) trying to derail topics or runoff those who have spoken against Gill and all-star band.
I don’t expect those people to say much on this latest one:
Ray Paulick has another great article this morning. Not only Roger Stein, but radio talk host Steve Byk. They don’t seem to do much research on the Gill situation. Very odd take…is right!
so what’s going on at Penn? Does Gill have horses entered? Are the jockeys’ still not riding?
This is great news that Gill is getting out. (Don’t know why anyone bother’s to put a “Mr.” in front of his name. He’s not deserving of any respect whatsoever)
CANTER OH
[QUOTE=NMK;4657281]
CANTER is working on listing some of his horses. We are looking forward to being part of the solution.[/QUOTE]
NMK, if you see Robin, can’t remember her last name, she helped find homes for some of Jake Radosevich’s horses, tell her that “You Can Too” is a great little 4-h barrel horse for my daughter Stella back in Michigan. She also has Kellynette (Michelle Perez CT) running a great barrel pattern ! My son is going to be roping off of Jeff’s Creek, a CANTER PA horse from Marcia Wolfe.
Old mom here is waiting for the snow to melt here in Virginia before I get up the nerve to get on my Fingerlakes behemoth !! CANTER horses rock, who needs a Quarter Horse ?? LOL !
[quote=Stellaspeed;4657330]
NMK, if you see Robin, can’t remember her last name, she helped find homes for some of Jake Radosevich’s horses, tell her that “You Can Too” is a great little 4-h barrel horse for my daughter Stella back in Michigan. She also has Kellynette (Michelle Perez CT) running a great barrel pattern ! My son is going to be roping off of Jeff’s Creek, a CANTER PA horse from Marcia Wolfe.
Old mom here is waiting for the snow to melt here in Virginia before I get up the nerve to get on my Fingerlakes behemoth !! CANTER horses rock, who needs a Quarter Horse ?? LOL !
Jeff’s Creek–that cute little 2 year old gray–a roping horse? Aww, I was hoping to see that beautiful boy in the hunt field or in the local show ring. Well, hope he works out well for you!
Jeff
Jeff’s Creek is a 15 hand chestnut with 4 high stockings and a huge blaze like a hereford calf . He also had a slight swayback. We love him to death, to the point that we shipped him to Ft Knox to be with my son before he deploys to Afghanistan. I would take one of Marcia’s horses sight unseen any time.
The New York Times article this morning - not from Joe Drape, who has been in Australia for the Open - but rather Bill Finley:
NYT 2-2-2010 “Horses Die, Jockeys Boycott and Owner Blames a Track”
The rub of this of course means that horse racing takes another black eye in the mainstream for not being able to run a guy like Gill and his crew of vets, trainers and other characters out of the sport.
Oops! wrong horse. I was thinking of Timmy–misread your post on OFF Course!
[QUOTE=Stellaspeed;4657135]
I wasn’t being DRAMATIC, I was looking forward to being part of the solution . Just how VIABLE do you think Gill’s horses are going to be when his “special” training techniques wear off. ? Take a minute and read through the Fingerlakes threads before you start saying people are being dramatic and getting “out of hand”. Here’s my Fingerlakes baby “With Spirit” getting some loving from a neighbor.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, raising the battle cry to “save” all Gill-owned horses is being overly dramatic. What does your FL OTTB have to do with Gill’s horses? I’m sure he has some that would be best suited for non-racing homes (which it sounds like CANTER is on top of) and some that are cheap enough to go either way simply based on price. But, that most definitely isn’t ALL or even the majority of his stock. I’m glad you want to help, but getting people riled up on the Intenet without all the facts isn’t going to help anything - except maybe irritate the Gill camp to the point they don’t want to work with anyone to help the horses that really need it.
As far as their future viability as runners, I don’t see there being a problem with most of them. There are plenty of cases of people buying or claiming from those trainers and doing pretty well.
Your Son Stellaspeed and more Gila thoughts…
[QUOTE=Stellaspeed;4657363]
Jeff’s Creek is a 15 hand chestnut with 4 high stockings and a huge blaze like a hereford calf . He also had a slight swayback. We love him to death, to the point that we shipped him to Ft Knox to be with my son before he deploys to Afghanistan. I would take one of Marcia’s horses sight unseen any time.[/QUOTE]
Hi All,
I know this is slightly off topic but I had to say to Stellaspeed - will be thinking of your son in Afghanistan. May he stay healthy and happy as can be under the circumstances, and may he come home safely after serving his country. Although I don’t like this war, I support our soldiers. As the daughter of a WW II veteran (‘Sarge’ was in the Phillipines), I respect and pray for all our troops. Blessings to your son!
On the topic at hand, The Gila Monster will someday be a strange footnote to racing history, after causing bad press, the loss of fans, and misery on the track. And, as I said before, I’ll believe he’s really gone when no member of his family or a shell corporation have ‘his’ horses.
Why racing officials don’t get the very basic PR damage being done is beyond me.
Okay, old boy’s network, here it is in simple words:
Loss of fans = Death of the sport.
Very simple really. And, it’s the fans who keep a sport alive. Gambling alone won’t do it.
And, Gila Monster, have you ever heard a leg break next to you? Have you ever had a horse fall over another horse who went down? Have you ever had a horse flip out and fall on top of you because of either current training or past training? I have. It doesn’t just suck because you’ve lost money - money should have nothing to do with it. It’s HEARTBREAKING because a beautiful animal who is trying as hard as he can for you is gone - in a flash. Then there is no funeral, just an injection and being dragged off.
Please give several horse retirement charities $1 million each and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out. And, don’t leave in a huff, just leave.
I’m not threatening you in anyway. I hope all in your family have wonderful lives and you find a new hobby (may I suggest NASCAR?). I don’t want anything bad to happen to you - you should live a long, long life so you can contemplate what you did.
Hallie
[QUOTE=SleepyFox;4657413]
Sorry, raising the battle cry to “save” all Gill-owned horses is being overly dramatic. What does your FL OTTB have to do with Gill’s horses? I’m sure he has some that would be best suited for non-racing homes (which it sounds like CANTER is on top of) and some that are cheap enough to go either way simply based on price. But, that most definitely isn’t ALL or even the majority of his stock. I’m glad you want to help, but getting people riled up on the Intenet without all the facts isn’t going to help anything - except maybe irritate the Gill camp to the point they don’t want to work with anyone to help the horses that really need it.
As far as their future viability as runners, I don’t see there being a problem with most of them. There are plenty of cases of people buying or claiming from those trainers and doing pretty well.[/QUOTE]
Geez, I wasn’t declaring war, or even trying to “save all” of Gill’s horses, or even trying to get people “riled” up…don’t know how you got that… again, I just said that COTH and CANTER would gladly step up to do our/their part when and if needed. And that has everything to do with my Fingerlakes horse, and my other CANTER horses. The FLL thread went wonderfully, and did not demonize anyone, so it’s a great example of rehoming in a hurry.
I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to be concerned given the many, many Gill horses that have simply disappeared. I think that number FAR outpaces the number of horses that have gone on to continue racing with other trainers.
I also think that there are plenty of other factors irritating the Gill camp at the moment.
I’m also a little puzzled about your attitude ?
[QUOTE=haligator;4657469]
Hi All,
I know this is slightly off topic but I had to say to Stellaspeed - will be thinking of your son in Afghanistan. May he stay healthy and happy as can be under the circumstances, and may he come home safely after serving his country. Although I don’t like this war, I support our soldiers. As the daughter of a WW II veteran (‘Sarge’ was in the Phillipines), I respect and pray for all our troops. Blessings to your son!
Thanks Hali, I have 3 sons serving, oldest (medic) just came back from IRAQ this summer, middle son Wyatt is a Coastie in Galveston, and the younger one Connor is at Ft Knox. My brother serves (headed overseas in June) , bro in law serves (retired SF now teaching at Ft Sam), and I am 6th generation military, my sons make 7.
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[QUOTE=Glimmerglass;4657373]
The New York Times article this morning - not from Joe Drape, who has been in Australia for the Open - but rather Bill Finley:
NYT 2-2-2010 “Horses Die, Jockeys Boycott and Owner Blames a Track”
The rub of this of course means that horse racing takes another black eye in the mainstream for not being able to run a guy like Gill and his crew of vets, trainers and other characters out of the sport.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree… The readers (mostly non-horse people) of the article in this venue will blame the racing game in general and take it out of context. Hopefully this will appear in the right forum, in my opinion it should run in racing magazines, newspapers etc…
[QUOTE=Glimmerglass;4657373]
The New York Times article this morning - not from Joe Drape, who has been in Australia for the Open - but rather Bill Finley:
NYT 2-2-2010 “Horses Die, Jockeys Boycott and Owner Blames a Track”
The rub of this of course means that horse racing takes another black eye in the mainstream for not being able to run a guy like Gill and his crew of vets, trainers and other characters out of the sport.[/QUOTE]
Pertaining to this article… I would like to know why Gill feels the need to spout of about how much money he’s made? What in the world does that have to do with endangering anothers life?
Gill calling it quits, dispersing stable
I just read the Paulick Report and I do not have time to read the multitude of posts on this thread, but weren’t there people on this board who claimed that Cole Norman was a good trainer and we were all wrong for calling him out? There are butchers in this game and good trainers who may have a bad test or two…having had previous Norman horses and knowing his rulings history, I knew he was a butcher. I wish people would stop defending butchers in this game. The butchers will end horse racing as we know it.
Still, despite the report from Paulick this morning, there are still a ton of things to break in the coming weeks regarding Adamo, Norman, among others. Stay Tuned folks, perhaps we can bring ethics back to the sport even if it means using this mess to do it.
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Gill calling it quits, dispersing stable
Gill Lies, Enters another one for Friday at Penn, race 9.
[QUOTE=Stellaspeed;4657480]
I’m also a little puzzled about your attitude ?[/QUOTE]
I’m all for helping to find new homes for the Gill stock and completely support any effort by CANTER, etc. to assist with that endeavor. If the COTH community can help - great. But, people need to realize (because obviously, based on what I’ve seen online, people do not get this - and it goes far beyond Stellaspeed’s comments, she was just convenient to quote) - it is highly unlikely that Gill will send his entire string to the killers. Nor is he going to abandon them to starve. Even if the guy is really a monster, that just makes no business sense. He clearly has some cripples in his barn, but he also has a lot of nice runners that can be dispersed through traditional channels - with no need to be “saved.” However, I think that difference is lost on the majority of the readers of the various forums. I also think it’s ironic that now saving Gill horses is a top priority, but in the past, posters on this BB warned people to stay away because they were all unsound. What’s changed now?
Yes, I agree… The readers (mostly non-horse people) of the article in this venue will blame the racing game in general and take it out of context.
Mint Hill Farm, I totally agree. This whole fiasco is not what racing needs and it’s unfortunate it escalated into the mainstream media. :no:
[QUOTE=DickHertz;4657919]
Gill Lies, Enters another one for Friday at Penn, race 9.
http://www.equibase.com/static/entry/PEN020510USA-EQB.html[/QUOTE]
Hey Dick, did I miss where he said he was going to quit running his stock pending dispersal? Why wouldn’t he keep running until everything is sold?
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