Well, Darrell Delahoussaye is allegedly running the barn for Edward Longo, Trainer Jay Budrewicz, and they claimed a horse tonight from Layne Giliforte. The soap opera continues.
No doubt in my mind heāll come back ,but i think it will take awhile till Gill getās rid of all the horses.
iāam sure Tony may find an owner to buy some and bring them here.
never a dull moment
After reading all the posts one thing becomes obvious and that is the farm trainer should be interigated about the shock wave and other practices that are being done there. To the best of my knowledge the farm trainer is not eligible for a trainer license and probably is on probation. Only three years ago Cole Norman was sentenced for vehicular homicide in Hot Springs, Arkansas for an automobile accident killing an innocent lady while driving under the influence of alcohol and/or perscrption drugs. He probably brought a lot of cheating knowledge with him as he was doing the same things on the Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas circuit.
Well, no breakdowns last night but I see the Penn chartcaller noted that Alkys Boy, trained by Ben West, was vanned off after the race.
Reading this thread has been heartening: itās good to know that there are so many horsemen who care.
Hereās a question from an eventer who owns OTTBs but has never owned a racehorse. Iām really asking just to undestand better what meds are necessary to racing and which arenāt.
Those of you who are loyal COTH readers may have been following the process of bringing the drugs and medications policies applied to hunter/jumpers more in line with the rest of the USEF disciplines and therefore the FEI. While I happen to believe that the FEI policy errs on the other side of things with its zero tolerance for anything they can test for, what are the actual reasons racing canāt adopt policies closer to the zero tolerance position? If it really were a level playing field, what would be the overall effect on the industry?
Zipping on flamesuit nowā¦
Most horseman would tell you the ānecessaryā medications are Bute, Azium, Lasix.
[QUOTE=frugalannie;4661756]
Reading this thread has been heartening: itās good to know that there are so many horsemen who care.
Hereās a question from an eventer who owns OTTBs but has never owned a racehorse. Iām really asking just to undestand better what meds are necessary to racing and which arenāt.
Those of you who are loyal COTH readers may have been following the process of bringing the drugs and medications policies applied to hunter/jumpers more in line with the rest of the USEF disciplines and therefore the FEI. While I happen to believe that the FEI policy errs on the other side of things with its zero tolerance for anything they can test for, what are the actual reasons racing canāt adopt policies closer to the zero tolerance position? If it really were a level playing field, what would be the overall effect on the industry?
Zipping on flamesuit nowā¦[/QUOTE]
Is no need for drugs of any kind.
Lasix is a performance enhancing cheat drug that was used throughout the 60ās and 70ās. Was never necessary in fact there has never been a triple crown winner who used it.
What it does do even better than enhance performance is mask plenty of other stuff from testing.
To really get a full understanding of the Lasix issue I highly recommend the book āRun Baby Runā by Bill Heller. Is a very good read.
Lets also not play with semantics ie āmedicationā=good ādrugsā=bad. Some of us consider all of it DRUGS.
And yes, horses ought not compete on anything other than water oats and hay. If they canāt, start breeding some that can.
Dick, I love your short list. Butā¦
What would happen if those werenāt allowed? Specifically, why are they necessary for racing? (I understand, as much as a layperson might, what they do clinically. Iām asking a slightly different question.)
ETA: A corollary: What therapies are necessary?
And for both of the above, say within 5 days (or 10 or 14) of racing.
Ans I donāt want to hijack this thread. I can open this up as another thread if you prefer. I just think itās relevant to the discussion of specific trainers and their practices since there are concerns about stables that maintain horses in apparent good condition, but may utilize medication and therapy to the detriment of the horse.
of Gill breakdowns at Penn compaired to all other breakdows at Penn. http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2010/February/04/Gill-accounts-for-five-of-21-Penn-National-breakdowns.ASPX
New Update
Subpoenas Received for Grand Jury Hearing on February 17
On Monday February 1, 2010, various persons associated with Penn National received subpoenas to appear before a Grand Jury on February 17, 2009. I can not say anything further or reveal names, but there is a Grand Jury Hearing on February 17, 2010 in Central Pennsylvania. Suffice it to say that it is people in all sorts of profefssions in and around the racetrack.
[QUOTE=NoBSshoer;4661820]
Is no need for drugs of any kind.
Lasix is a performance enhancing cheat drug that was used throughout the 60ās and 70ās. Was never necessary in fact there has never been a triple crown winner who used it.
What it does do even better than enhance performance is mask plenty of other stuff from testing.
To really get a full understanding of the Lasix issue I highly recommend the book āRun Baby Runā by Bill Heller. Is a very good read.
Lets also not play with semantics ie āmedicationā=good ādrugsā=bad. Some of us consider all of it DRUGS.
And yes, horses ought not compete on anything other than water oats and hay. If they canāt, start breeding some that can.[/QUOTE]
I respectfully disagree with you. I come from a family of very hard working people, very sturdy breeding. 
But, as with any person or animal who works hard or is an athlete, I get aches and pains. Why would I allow myself to take an anti-inflammatory drug to help ease my shoulder pain so I can clean stalls, ride, and get my work done, but not allow my horse the same relief? Therapeudic drugs are important, itās the people who break the rules who are the problem.
here is a short list of drugs that most trainers use on a regular basis leading up to a race and on raceday.
bute
banimine
lasix
dmso jugs
robaxin
clembuterall (ventrapulmin)
azium
nocwasone
robinal
parvolex
clotall
sulucortif
vetlog
legand
adaquan
calcium jugs
those are just a few of what gets used all the time by most trainers . they donāt include all the joint injecting that takes place as well
[QUOTE=D Murray;4662366]
here is a short list of drugs that most trainers use on a regular basis leading up to a race and on raceday.
bute
banimine
lasix
dmso jugs
robaxin
clembuterall (ventrapulmin)
azium
nocwasone
robinal
parvolex
clotall
sulucortif
vetlog
legand
adaquan
calcium jugs
those are just a few of what gets used all the time by most trainers . they donāt include all the joint injecting that takes place as well[/QUOTE]
I swear I have never given nocwasone.:lol: And maybe I have been wearing the full cup blinkers for too long, but I donāt think most trainers cheat.
so i spelled it wrong, and i didnāt say they were cheating. these are all legal drugs. frugalannie asked about what drugs are used this is just a short list.
[QUOTE=D Murray;4662417]
so i spelled it wrong[/QUOTE]
Iām sorry I couldnāt stop myself:winkgrin:
[QUOTE=Silverhope;4662359]
I respectfully disagree with you. I come from a family of very hard working people, very sturdy breeding. But, as with any person or animal who works hard or is an athlete, I get aches and pains. Why would I allow myself to take an anti-inflammatory drug to help ease my shoulder pain so I can clean stalls, ride, and get my work done, but not allow my horse the same relief?[/QUOTE]
- because you have a choice for one thing. An innocent animal doesnāt.
- because youāre not likely to break a leg running around a track with someone on your back because you were running instead of resting like you should have been
Therapeudic drugs are important, itās the people who break the rules who are the problem.
Is a poor substitute for horsemanship. People who depend on drugs to get the job done are usually folks who couldnāt train a dog to eat meat.
[QUOTE=lily04;4662440]
Iām sorry I couldnāt stop myself:winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
i laughed myself when i saw it on screen ,but it was to late to change it
[QUOTE=lily04;4662176]
of Gill breakdowns at Penn compaired to all other breakdows at Penn. http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2010/February/04/Gill-accounts-for-five-of-21-Penn-National-breakdowns.ASPX[/QUOTE]
Because the Penn chartcaller neglected to include pertinent information about horses breaking down, to me this study is completely worthless and not a true picture of Gillās breakdown rate.
[QUOTE=NoBSshoer;4662442]
- because you have a choice for one thing. An innocent animal doesnāt.
- because youāre not likely to break a leg running around a track with someone on your back because you were running instead of resting like you should have been
Is a poor substitute for horsemanship. People who depend on drugs to get the job done are usually folks who couldnāt train a dog to eat meat.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with this. Any of us with performance horses, if our horses all of a sudden required bute or some NSAID for inflammation, wouldnāt go take said horse right out to a high stress competition as soon as we started the therapy. Weād let the rest and heal whatever caused the inflammation. Race horses donāt seem to have that luxury, because they have to āearn a livingā for the trainers/owners. They never asked to do thatā¦we ask THEM, so therefore we should treat their bodies with respect, as well as we do ours.
I know dang well that if I hurt my shoulder and get some painkillers, Iām going to work slower and more carefully shoveling and working around the barn. Not faster and moreā¦racehorses canāt do that.
[QUOTE=lily04;4662404]
I swear I have never given nocwasone.:lol: And maybe I have been wearing the full cup blinkers for too long, but I donāt think most trainers cheat.[/QUOTE]
Actually you spelled the overwhelming majority of them wrong, some of them so much that I am not even sure what you were attempting to spell but that is beside the point. I have bute and banamine in my drug closet to use as needed. Love estrone, love adequan. Some horses get lasix. Thatās about it.
