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Do you know if the transcripts of the testimony is available anywhere? I know you can obtain them through the freedom of information act but I believe there is a significant waiting period before that applies.[/QUOTE]
Grand Jury testimony remains sealed and is never released. Criminal trial testimony is available to the public.
I’m curious to know what’s going on with the vets. They’re the only safety net many of these horses have and that net sure has some big holes.
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I am making a trip to Penn and the area next week to look at a horse .[/QUOTE]
Sent you a PM about a particular Penn trainer as well as some others
Delahoussaye claimed one last night, Flashy Street, for owner Edward Longo out of the 7th race.
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Delahoussaye claimed one last night, Flashy Street, for owner Edward Longo out of the 7th race.[/QUOTE]
Now that he is no longer on the Gill payroll there is no need for a “program” trainer for Longo owned horses.
Anyone know anything about an owner named Henry Witt, Jr.? He’s picked up a handful of Gill horses apparently via private sale over the past few months. The first two went to Sam Houston and are with Charlotte Bronstad; the latest are at PEN with Delahoussaye.
There have been many trainers picking up gill horses – at PN too. One trainer, who used to train for him, picked up a block of horses,
I think you will see the majority of Gill horses remain racing.[QUOTE=brightskyfarm;4701218]
There have been many trainers picking up gill horses – at PN too. One trainer, who used to train for him, picked up a block of horses,
I think you will see the majority of Gill horses remain racing.[/QUOTE]
Crumley?
rojas
Horrible practices, then people wonder why barns stear clear of OTTBs and why other types are so popular. Well Duh…of course, when so many nice and sound and sensible horses are bred for riding and not damaged at age 3. I love a good TB, but honestly it is too emmotional to “look” at so many that have very poor futures to find one that might not workout in the end anyway. This coupled with some questionable groups out there, that claim to be helping OTTBS has done a lot of damage, a few barns I know of have won’t look at OTTBS. because some of their clients were burned by such groups.
Why not take away from past lessons learned and approach this with an intelligent horsemans knowledge and not deny yourself (collective) the opportunity to own such wonderful animals.
I know the racing industry is not responsible for breeding and starting my next (_____). However, it is more productive for many in a collective sense to focus the future of “their” sport on horses that have a greater collective future in that sport. Sadly many people see the TB as not being in that collective. I have no power to change that even with upper level jumpers who came from tracks. People like this man and sadly many like him and then bad organizations rehoming TBs are doing horrendous damage. I have a great TB and last Spring, one family loved him until they found out he was purchased through a program they had a bad dealing with. He’s still around jumping 1.20 M like a pleasure horse if anyone’s looking, I can’t just give him away, he is too special but for the “type” of buyers we get, TB is not as interesting to them as “Belgian, Dutch, Rhinelander, etc.” 
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There are many lovely, sound, capable, OTTB prospects for many multi-disciplines !
and… there are many reputable sellers/trainers/owners that are offering their well-bred, well-cared for stock to the general public.
Why not take away from past lessons learned and approach this with an intelligent horsemans knowledge and not deny yourself (collective) the opportunity to own such wonderful animals.[/QUOTE]
In the past all show jumpers, hunters, dressage, eventers, etc etc were almost exclusively TBs. Most, usually had raced before finding new vocations.
Growing popularity of dumbloods is another side effect of this country’s lack of horsemanship. It takes a Horseman to throw a leg over a good Thoroughbred. Horsemen are nearing extinction, they’ve been replaced by horse owners:rolleyes:
Huh? They stopped loving him because of where he came from? Sorry, not quite following you there.
That has a whole lot more to do with warmbloods being purpose bred and the perception that TBs are hotter and/or take a longer amount of time to achieve the same level of training in comparison to a warmblood than Michael Gill or the goings on at Penn and racetracks across the country. Sadly, there is no discipline completely devoid of cheats, crooks, and phonies.
I’d pay for a TB before taking a free warmblood (unless I thought I could sell the warmblood!) So if you’ve got a jumper TB you’re giving away… 
There are crooks in all aspects of the horse buisness. If I buy an OTTB, with the tattoo I know exactly who the horse is and what he’s done in his life as a racehorse. And while I don’t know for SURE he’s going to be smart and willing, so far my experience indicates the odds are good he will be. (The crazy-good manners on my new boy seem to be a special feature, though!) Just because Gill was a crook is not going to put me off an entire breed and make me pay through the nose for something with a Germanic name and a brand on the hip.
SO true. But, for a riding horse, I would probalby avoid most of Gill’s horses due to soundness problems.
If you have a good tb jumper/show him/ and you’ll see the buyers come flocking …no one ever passes on a good performance.
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It takes a Horseman to throw a leg over a good Thoroughbred.[/QUOTE]
This is true. People tend to ride what they can ride.
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Huh? They stopped loving him because of where he came from? Sorry, not quite following you there.
That has a whole lot more to do with warmbloods being purpose bred and the perception that TBs are hotter and/or take a longer amount of time to achieve the same level of training in comparison to a warmblood than Michael Gill or the goings on at Penn and racetracks across the country. Sadly, there is no discipline completely devoid of cheats, crooks, and phonies.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned the place I got him from, thinking they would be interested to know of his life and beginnings and because I had thought the organization a great one that always seems to be praised highly ( now it could have been an excuse for whatever reason) But they actually became angry and said “no thank you” and proceeded to tell me a pretty horrible and detailed story of a horse the other child had gotten through that organization and the drama that followed with the members. I sympathized because they seemed pretty accurate and unyielding and are educated enough that their “duping” came from their genuine interest in “doing a good thing” in relation to their other daughter’s horse.
Since most WB branded horses are just a registry (except for a few), I think it’s quite interesting to read those pedigrees. Maybe some people don’t know what xx means.
I had one once with only 1/2 xx, and he was easily replaced with a full xx. In fact the contribution of xx is significant in many, many ways.
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