Business As Usual

The elephant in the room appears.

This is why surrender stalls and AAEP vets at the track are an important part of a solution. Taking unsound horses off the track includes transportation fees, at-farm vet calls, possibly another vet call for euthanasia, and then renderer fees. And as Fairweather mentioned, the emotional toll. That evaluation should be done as soon as possible while they are still on the track.

We do have resources for problems we can fix–surgeries that will help a horse return to soundness. Evaluation at the track can determine those candidates as well.

Nancy

t his rescue will be a great benefit to the entire backside

[QUOTE=Laurierace;4891819]
What I meant by stating that we would help all the horses from Penn whether they were sound or unsound is that no horse would be turned away due to their soundness or lack there of. All horses will be accepted and evaluated and more or less taken off the owner/trainers hands. As far as which horses get euthanized versus which horses get rehabbed and retrained I imagine that decision will be made by the trainer they hire and their vets. As stated in an earlier post I believe permanently unsound horses should be euthanized and resources allocated to the horses that do have a legitimate chance to be a useful riding horse for many years to come but again, I don’t forsee that being my decision to make. I know they really want to find a facility much closer than mine which I completely understand but wanted to let them know that I am available if they don’t find anything else.[/QUOTE]

Good of you:)

There is a box at the licensing office full of Bill of Sales specifically to be used in the transfer of these horses, so that not just papes are transferred, but an actual bill of sale, new owners names, locations, contact info… free~!Brightskyfarm

Ahh…but how many times we have driven thru that gate and got a wave and a nod from the guard…or just handed an out slip saying going “to Farm” with no other information.
If forced to hand over a bill of sale before exiting and trainers having to place that bill of sale in their folder that keeps it more honest.
now if the trainer chooses to remove the horse from the track and take him off his stable list then theres a whole nother set of issues that can’t be addressed.

[QUOTE=judybigredpony;4892082]
There is a box at the licensing office full of Bill of Sales specifically to be used in the transfer of these horses, so that not just papes are transferred, but an actual bill of sale, new owners names, locations, contact info… free~!Brightskyfarm

Ahh…but how many times we have driven thru that gate and got a wave and a nod from the guard…or just handed an out slip saying going “to Farm” with no other information.
If forced to hand over a bill of sale before exiting and trainers having to place that bill of sale in their folder that keeps it more honest.
now if the trainer chooses to remove the horse from the track and take him off his stable list then theres a whole nother set of issues that can’t be addressed.[/QUOTE]

Good idea, but I was really thinking along the lines of someone not being able to locate the person they sold the horse to… :slight_smile: a bill of sale would solve that.
but your idea is a good one too.

At TDN you have a slip you sign, complete with license plate info. I really like the idea of showing a BOS, and would also amend it to include a copy of the coggins so if necessary the horse could be checked for markings.

N

[QUOTE=brightskyfarm;4892066]
I took a minute to read again …
but, the horse in questions trainer/does have a farm and could have taken the horse there, for all that evaluation. She has plenty of access to people who retrain tb’s for the private sector/ there is CANTER/there is herself, a well accomplished horsewoman. This is not a case that the horse was in dire need of rehoming, that horse had plenty of resouces at hand available in many many ways.
There is a box at the licensing office full of Bill of Sales specifically to be used in the transfer of these horses, so that not just papes are transferred, but an actual bill of sale, new owners names, locations, contact info… free~! None of this was used…otherwise there would be a well trackable paper trail.
Finally, a person of this position has no excuse.

 To say, *oh well, that was then, we are going to do something different* and forget about this horse and what has happened is truly unfair ... There should still be accountability.[/QUOTE]

Again, those are two separate subjects that should not be lumped together as one. Creating a humane alternative for all horses needing to be retired from racing at Penn National does not preclude anyone from looking into that horse or any other horse’s whereabouts. The two things are in no way connected except to say that its my assumption the horse would not be missing if this program were already in place. I don’t care if someone has their own farm and own resources, if they chose to give the horse to this program instead of using their own resources I believe they should have that option. Horses on the farm still need to eat and be cared for. It can easily get to the point that retirees outnumber racing horses. I also firmly believe that any track that wants to claim to have an anti-slaughter policy but does not offer an alternative means of rehoming retired race horses is trying to get some cheap PR and nothing else.

Re: Penn developing a retirement program.

If anyone on or reading this thread gets to be in charge of a retirement program at Penn - please PM me. I’m in. You might be able to use all the help you can get from folks who can help a few at a time.

We’re small but should soon have a stall or two & a turn-out area or two for rest & recuperation. And we have an on-site trainer who has several decades’ experience starting youngsters & re-schooling all sorts of horses.

A horse could do worse & we’d like to help.

By the way, Dick, from the Michael Gill stuff back in the winter to now - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a thread that I’ve found more fascinating on this bulletin board or any other.

[QUOTE=judybigredpony;4487481]
If you think thats bad go have a look inside “Elk Creek Ranch” up tthe drive past the security gate.
Once inside you pass his neatly piled red canisters of "Bio Waste and Sharps right outside his fully stock in house pharmecy. With the banks of security cameras carefully watching everyones move.
Past the rows of wash stalls w/ horses either being injected, being prepped, or just finished, down the endless maze of clean stalls w/ fat, yes, shiny, yes, totally miserable faced horses. Some digging huge craters from pain of broken,chipped,slabbed, and achey joints (waiting for the weekly one way ride) to the new arrivels w/ freshly slit throats. A never ending factory for misery. And in truth they are well feed, well groomed and aesthetically well cared for horses. There are no rescues to be had or bought for rehab. Its a one way life for those horses and anyone who does NOT go claim their horse back needs to remember we all face a final judgement. This not a naive gospel rant, but when does this man get stopped. Ruled off forever, no horses ever to run in his name or any entity he is affiliated w/.
The revolving door of trainers there and on the track, the revolving door of help. A governing body unto the land of “Gill”.[/QUOTE]

OMG…this breaks my heart. :cry:

[QUOTE=Arcadien;4488151]In light of this thread, and many questions in my head, I’m finally posting public - one of the horses I raised from a yearling til 3 was claimed by Gill in the spring.

He’s run hard a few times for him in the last half a year, leading in the calls but not hitting the board, until just second last time out.

Keep hoping he’s okay, or that he’ll get claimed by someone else but as far as I know, I think he’s still there. Not in the racing loop anymore, all I know are the old insinuations about Gill, not any facts. But you folks seem to know more, none of it good, so please,

What can I do? I think he is stabled at Phila Park, he runs there, sometimes at Penn Nat. His name is “New Yankee Man”, a blood bay now 4 yo gelding, with white star.

PM or email me please if information is too delicate -

just want to keep track of this horse until he isn’t earning his keep racing, especially since he seems to be in bad hands…so I can do as much as I can to be a safety net for him when/if he needs one…

Thanks,
arcadiafarm@juno.com[/QUOTE]

Crossing my fingers that this works out and he is one of the lucky ones!

I have not posted in days on this thread. the situation at Penn National is totally disgusting. i have lashed out at certain individuals and i’ll maintain my stance on the corrupt activities taking place at this facility. I do feel however that i owe one person an apology. this is the main reason that i’m posting once again. I had mentioned in a post and referred to donald Brown as slow pay. I made that post because of the information that was given to me from someone in the Beattie camp. the source was very reliable but due to certain things going on, and i’m not going to get into what i know, it was found that that information was false. Mr. Brown, I want to sincerely apologize for that statement concerning the slow pay. If i caused you any embarrassment which i’m sure i did, i also apologize. Maybe i jumped to conclusions because of your dealings with John Krulock. anyone that deals with him, you have to be somewhat skeptical if your intentions are good. his practices as a jockey agent and his relationship with the racing secretary are both very unethical. He has done nothing but use you, period! Mr. Brown, I am fully aware of your success as a restaurant owner and as a leader in the community. I commend you for those things and only wish you well in future endeavors regarding your restaurants and also your horses.
I however will not give any other apologies. I don’t regret anything i’ve posted or don’t have any remorse for attacking some people. you know who you are, i don’t have to mention names. you people have created and allowed one bad situation after another and let them spiral out of control. and because a handful of people have exposed you, you call us the bad guys.I promise you that all the facts will soon come out and we will then see who the real bad guys are. I will close by saying that i surely hope you aren’t planning any action against any of us, we simply have told the truth and just want a level playing field for all. but if you do plan action I will say one thing and one thing only, BRING IT ON!!

Bopper you did the right thing apologizing to Mr. Brown. I think I speak for many when I say welcome back.

[QUOTE=KBEquine;4890489]
Well, there are also the breeders who might give a thought to helping re-home rather than breeding to sell & hope to sit back & collect the breeders’ awards. (And I say that as a breeder who has told the trainers who have horses we’ve bred that they ALWAYS have a place to come home.)

Having said that, I just PM’d Dick Hertz my own story that I won’t post fully, except to say that I learned what Nick Zito & Dick Hertz have also learned the hard way - even when you make an effort to let the trainer or current owner know the horse has a retirement home waiting for it, the horse STILL somehow gets lost in the shuffle.

[Barbara Luna, if you ever wondered what drives me to occasionally PM you about this horse or that horse who races at Philly Park & might bear watching & need an intervention. This. This is what drives me. And thanks for being there!]

But it’s not the trainer OR the owner OR the breeder OR the track OR the fans. It is all of us.

It would just be easier for the horses if we all felt that way.[/QUOTE]

In the course of trying to track Gill’s 2009 MIAs, I’ve heard from breeders, former owners, even a couple of people who worked for former trainers – all of whom had contacted Elk Creek Ranch (most more than once) offering to take back the horse at any time. Toward the “end” of this Gill reign, ECR folks were more amenable to that. But before that, the calls to come and get the horse, if they were made, tended to be made when the horse was on his last legs. At least 3 of the horses who were retrieved died within days of going home.

So long as pond scum like Gill are allowed to own and run horses, I’m not sure there’s much can be done to protect the horses that end up with them.

TFH is sponsored by the Pennsylvania Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association, which financially supports us, as well as provides office space, etc. Without the horsemen’s group and its Exec. Director, this could not have been done.

We do have a veterinary panel. It is the only way to provide complete and honest info to a potential adopter as well as the non-profits with which we work. Even still, horses sometimes are “different” within three days of their arrival to the farm. I wish the trainers would be a little more upfront, because we do not turn any horse away, and go by a waiting list according to the date they are placed into the program UNLESS an approved adopter sees one on our website, or we have one at the track that can go to a new home immediately (because then we do not have to pay). We are limited only by funding–we have had plenty of offers from farms to take our horses, but not for FREE!

I average four horses into the program/week.

I thank our trainers and owners for their patience, and especially to those who understand our costs and throw extra money our way when they win a race, or who are happy to reimburse us for veterinary or surgical fees when we have seriously injured horses.

We do have a lot of horses which are not sound, sadly enough. We give them all a three month rehab period, where everything is done to get them pasture sound. They get brushed, loved on, played with, worked with by the volunteers at either place we use, but if their condition deteriorates so badly that they cannot be comfortable with turnout, then, yes, we do have a euthanasia program. I am sure you are all familiar with some of the conditions that we may be dealing with in this situation.

We also work very closely with Dr. Patty Hogan, who does surgery on any horse that will become riding sound with said surgery. We do all the rehab at two farms which are not non-profits, but can be carefully monitored by me, and are only a stone’s throw from Hogan Equine. Quite a few of these horses have already gone on to very productive careers and are well loved.

We have taken 390 horses from Pha in over two years. Not all of them went on to new homes–about 8% had to be euthanized and we sweated over each and every decision. I meet every horse that comes into the program–I photograph him or her and look them all in the eyes. Anyone that knows me knows that we do not make these decisions without careful thought, and veterinary consultation, and if you know me REALLY well, you know the toll these decisions take on me.

Regarding rigoletto’s comments about “bad places,” or however she worded it–well, with 390 horses, two adopters have turned out to be irresponsible. Both horses were recovered and readopted. I will never say we can do it all alone–without representatives from other rescues keeping an eye on dealer lots and auctions, we may have never known. But isn’t that why we are all here?

A few others from Pha may have ended up at auction, but it was because trainers opted to give them away and not go through Turning For Home. They were held accountable for their actions. I wonder how many we do not know about, and wish there was a way we could protect them all. Because of all the activist groups that haunt the dealers and kill buyers, the communication between dealers and rescue groups is poor, and I’d be very naive if I did not think that horses were by-passing the sales ring and heading straight to slaughter. From any track–not necessarily ours. That is another very big issue.

People call me all the time about “other” horses from other tracks, etc. I try to help them as well as I can. I am proud of the network we all have created. I also can guarantee that we do follow up every horse. Not sure where you got that idea rigoletto.

We ONLY work with nonprofits that tell adopters UP FRONT that they will take the horses back if there is ever a need to return them (thus the reason we only work with two programs so far!). SJTR has taken back quite a few (as we work closest with them, and they have handled the most adoptions). The reasons are many: people having lost their jobs, horses that turned out to be a little greener than the adopters hoped for, (in which case SJTR offers further training or wor with both the adopter and the horses; we also give all adopters, should they want it, info on others who are happy to help retrain for FREE! and are great friends of TFH.)

Anything else?

[I]At least 3 of the horses who were retrieved died within days of going home.

So long as pond scum like Gill are allowed to own and run horses, I’m not sure there’s much can be done to protect the horses that end up with them.[/I] Third Glance

I was fortunate enough to retrieve a filly for her former owner/breeder and she is halel n hearty back in KY.
Unfortunately all efforts to buy back another horse who was running at Penn under “Dreaded Darrly D’s” reign lead to a grisly end.

Speaking of which its Friday, the day, whats the word…

[QUOTE=Third Glance;4892871]
In the course of trying to track Gill’s 2009 MIAs, I’ve heard from breeders, former owners, even a couple of people who worked for former trainers – all of whom had contacted Elk Creek Ranch (most more than once) offering to take back the horse at any time. Toward the “end” of this Gill reign, ECR folks were more amenable to that. But before that, the calls to come and get the horse, if they were made, tended to be made when the horse was on his last legs. At least 3 of the horses who were retrieved died within days of going home.

So long as pond scum like Gill are allowed to own and run horses, I’m not sure there’s much can be done to protect the horses that end up with them.[/QUOTE]

Ironically, a former Michael Gill-owned horse is alive & well at our farm . . . our home-bred who went to a trainer but never made it far enough to hit Gill’s radar is the one who is MIA.

[QUOTE=judybigredpony;4893085]

I was fortunate enough to retrieve a filly for her former owner/breeder and she is halel n hearty back in KY.
Unfortunately all efforts to buy back another horse who was running at Penn under “Dreaded Darrly D’s” reign lead to a grisly end.

Speaking of which its Friday, the day, whats the word…[/QUOTE]

Stephanie Beattie has been cleared of any wrongdoing and has unwavering support from the HBPA and Penn Gaming Inc.

Regarding Double D, why not call Rob Marella and ask him why Penn Gaming chooses to allot stalls to him? 717-469-2211 x-8, then ask for Rob Marella. If he doesn’t answer then call back and ask for Christopher McErlean.

The reason they grant him stalls is because they are both cowards.

Cleared of any wrong doing? How is that possible? She doesn’t know where the horse is, so how does that clear her of sending it to slaughter?

That’s bizarre.

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;4893216]
Cleared of any wrong doing? How is that possible? She doesn’t know where the horse is, so how does that clear her of sending it to slaughter?

That’s bizarre.[/QUOTE]

See the title of this thread…

Barbara L wrote: "A few others from Pha may have ended up at auction, but it was because trainers opted to give them away and not go through Turning For Home. They were held accountable for their actions. I wonder how many we do not know about, and wish there was a way we could protect them all. "

A wild idea crossed my mind when reading this. What about freeze branding all the OTTBs that go through adoption with a symbol (a simple open “V” like a child uses to draw a bird in flight comes to mind) so that they can be easily recognized at auction? I don’t know about other adopters, but I’m proud of what my OTTBs have done in their second careers and I wouldn’t mind having that be a visible reminder to one and all of what great riding horses they can be, And if it afforded even a modicum of protection to other horses, it would be worth it.

Great work Barbara. My hats off to you and all those involved with TRF.

Dick Hertz wrote: “Stephanie Beattie has been cleared of any wrongdoing and has unwavering support from the HBPA and Penn Gaming Inc.”

Re: this. Who cleared her?

[QUOTE=frugalannie;4893269]

Dick Hertz wrote: “Stephanie Beattie has been cleared of any wrongdoing and has unwavering support from the HBPA and Penn Gaming Inc.”

Re: this. Who cleared her?[/QUOTE]

Penn Gaming Inc. and the Pennsylvania HBPA has seen no reason to investigate the matter any further. The “I forget” reason given by Beattie has held water.