Business As Usual

[Profidia]

[QUOTE=John Sunwack;4937821]
Beautiful night for racing at Penn National. Lets celebrate some of the good instead of dwelling on the phony accusations. All of you should work as hard as Steph Beattie does on her barn. Use this work ethic and the class of her operation as the model for successful business.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah like the one her barn killed out at the farm a week or two ago? Yeah that’s right. Botched an injection of the animal’s ankle and caused a massive infection. Put the thing down and threw it in the manure pile for all to see until the knackers could come and get it. Real class operation:rolleyes: For all we know that could have even been the misplaced 4H horse:mad:

Give some credit where it’s due here people. There are barns here that have put us on the map and given us some respectability.
Really? And just who might they be? Delahoussaye? You guys ran Layne Giliforte out of town. Seems he was precisely the type you should have been trying to attract not run off.

While you’re at it though perhaps you might tell the nice folks why stalls are only for out of state folks (with the stipulation that they have to be scumbags) Local outfits have a better chance of winning the state lottery but out of towners are invited. All this while there are plenty of empty stalls in all the barns right now too.

I warn you before you come here spouting propaganda that there are a few of us here that know what the hell we’re talking about. That track and the way it’s run is a disgrace.

[big_bopper_33]

john, tell me something, has Stephanie regained her long term memory as of yet? We would all still like to know, “WHERE IS THE HORSE”? you are absolutely right Dahoss, we have a puppet here spewing total nonsense. what a sad person that condones corruption and tries his best to protect the “cheats”. you say the commission in Harrisburg will act accordingly if given the right information. they have been given the right info over and over and continue to sweep everything under the carpet. when are you going to wake up? please, talk your nonsense to somebody else! and Vern Rings, a kill buyer, doesn’t surprise me one bit. and what has Penn National done about this? do they even know? Knowing Penn National, it wouldn’t surprise me if they would erect a statue of Mr. Rings adorned with a hat with the initials “KB” on it and then send him to Disneyworld, all expenses paid. Business as usual at Penn National.

[the_last_straw]

I wonder if Frank Quigley is going to present the kill buyer jockey agent with an award in the paddock? We could have a nice little ceremony with his arm around him and Fred Lipkin could pee his pants with company excitement. All the while John Bogar could narrate with a dry call. Something like, "Theyre all in line. And the hypocrisy is off. We have butcher trainer in front with kill buying agent a close second, apathetic GM is sitting off the pace, Stalls for cash is second to last, and at the back is Rob Marella out of contention and running greenly.

And John Sunwack, you are a pitiful loser. Obviously having no comprehension of backside activities or racing in general. You are lost in a fog, buying into bogus Penn propaganda and speaking on matters of which you don’t understand. The only thing that you are likely qualified for is Penn National director of racing.

[DickHertz]

Why hasn’t Frank Quigley been in the track kitchen recently? I guess he got tired of taking heat from the horseman. After all, he’s a casino guy first. He only has to show that he publicly cares about racing even though we all know he’s just as spineless as Marella and McErlean.

[John_Sunwack]

You people just don’t seem to get it. You attack everyone from trainers to racing office, to jockey agents, commission. One guy wins too much, this guy sends horses to the killer, that guy doesn’t dress right. Give me a break, people. If there was a serious issue here, don’t you think Kindergarten cops would have moved by now. The only thing that any of you whiners have accomplished is proving legally that Penn National is run with integrity and class.

You all have such jealous rage toward Steph. I have personally seen her cry when horses have been put down. I have seen her financially reach out to jockeys that were injured while riding her horses. And do any of you believe that such class owners as Donny Brown would pay for her services if any of this were true. We are talking about a man who is a respected icon in the local business world. A legend in the restaurant business. A person who loves horses and stands by his word to people when most of us horsemen do not. He only contracts the best, most caring trainer for his horses. Those of you who criticize are only jealous of the success and wealth of those who are attacked. And what do they do? Defend you every day in the trenches through the HBPA. You posters do not deserve such honest, noble people on your side.

And Big Bopper where is your proof of missing horses? Are you out searching in fields and checking tatoos to find them? [edit] If you have proof then provide it. Otherwise, shut up and claim some horses with Steph or better yet show up to the groom elite program so that you can learn something

[WhaWhaWhat]

I don’t think the racing office has done anything wrong. Paul Jenkins is a fine man and is nice to everyone. The clerks are all good people.

[SwtVixen]

Proof has been posted.
Page 67/Post#1337
In black and white, printed by a noteable magazine/ through that article is where the story of Major Mecke surfaced…

 and note: there was a 2nd horse in that race that disappeared. they both went from a Saturday 4th race to the kill pen Monday AM --2 days later ... no 4-h lady in between in this case. Year: 2008 

Proof: eyewitness Year:2008
Page 63/Post#1256

Proof: Valid Trick- Year:2009  Rescued from a slaughter pen.
Page64/Post#1261
Trained and Owned by Stephanie Beattie and David Wells.

Proof: UNaccountablity of Contrary (and lies trying to cover it up) Year: 2010

 What more is needed?
 Some non-corrupt individuals to insist on the truth. The HPBA isnt it...... the proponents of the anti-slaughter policy at PN arent it....
 Its not addressed because the corruption keeps protecting it ..and SB. The owners were the well respected DASL Doc and Robt Cole.

     Start with those [B]facts.[/B]

[SwtVixen]

[QUOTE=WhaWhaWhat;4937923]
This list is interesting. I think Sweet Vixen posted it earlier.

http://www.alexbrownracing.com/wiki/index.php/Kill_buyers

The last name on the list is Vern Rings who is also a jockey agent at Penn National according to the March Condition Book which I have. The phone numbers match. Is it well known that Mr. Rings buys horses to go to slaughter in addition to being a jock agent or is this list incorrect?[/QUOTE]

 Good to see someone is paying attention.
 List is correct.

Doesnt that fall under the anti-slaugher policy of PN as well?

http://www.animals-angels.com/index.php?pageID=598
2/26/10 Penn Valley Horse Auction, Centre Hall, PA
Known kill buyers Bruce Rotz and Brian Moore maintained a presence in auction ring,
Rotz maintains a collecting farm in Shippensburg, Moore maintains his collecting station nearby Penn National.

[big_bopper_33]

there you have it John, all the proof that you need. this was given to penn National and as usual 'no response". john, i think you should put your pajamas on and go to bed because you are just mumbling and you are obviously very disoriented. you must have had a long day supporting all your stand-up friends. Oh, and by the way, why don’t you tell us all how much of a great and honorable person John Krulock is! we all might as well hear one more piece of garbage before we all call it a day.

[SwtVixen]

Published April 1, 2010

http://standardbredcanada.ca/news/4-1-10/penn-national-ban-killers.html

 [B][I][U]Penn National Tougher On Slaughter[/U][/I][/B]

Published: April 1, 2010 11:49 am ET

With deeds speaking louder than words, Penn National Gaming has moved to halt the selling of unwanted horses to slaughter dealers.

Chris McErlean, vice president of racing, announced a new policy that will take effect immediately at Penn National’s five wholly owned and operated tracks, including harness tracks Hollywood Raceway in Bangor, ME, and Raceway Park in Toledo, OH, and thoroughbred operations at its home base at Penn National Race Course in Pennsylvania, Zia Park in Hobbs, NM, and Charles Town Races in West Virginia.

The new edict reads, “Any horseman stabled at a Penn National Gaming Inc. -owned or -operated horse facility who knowingly, or without conducting due diligence, sells a horse for slaughter, directly or indirectly, will have his or her stalls revoked and may, in addition, be barred from all of our racing properties. Penn National requires that horsemen participating at the company’s racetracks conduct proper due diligence on those buying horses and encourages horsemen participating at Penn National facilities and industry wide to support rescue and adoption efforts and seek humane means of dealing with horses unable to continue racing.”

McErlean said Penn National has a long-term commitment to the humane treatment of animals.

[Dispatcher]

@John Sunwack;4937448

Arrests? What a disgraceful joke. I hear all of you ambitious site dwellers talk about arrests and criminal investigations and theories of broken laws and corrupt racing office procedures. Where the hell is the evidence? This madness has to end some time soon at the risk of all posters being institutionalized for erratic reasoning and unfounded conspiracy theories.

My good sources tell me that there really is no investigation. They jumped through a few hoops, had a few hearings, and have buried it like Jimmy Hoffa with no hope of being found. They put some confused cop in charge, knowing that he would stumble his way through the racing underworld freezing up like a deer in headlights. The truth of the matter is the guy would probably have major difficulty nailing a J walker or enforcing a speeding ticket. When is the last time that any of you saw a mall cop chase someone down to lay down the law? Exactly! Dead issue people! No wrong has been done here so let’s just move on with life.

The Stephanie Beattie attacks are just as unwarranted. She is a first class trainer who has revolutionized the way with which the HBPA fights for its members and negotiates with management. Most educated people will tell you that until this point not a single soul was able to speak to management and accomplish anything productive. Steph has been able to change that in a big way, effective dealing with management and getting them to move on a number of important issues. You people should be shaking her hand and patting her on the back instead of attempting to ruin her storied career and legacy.

So let’s just move past this and try to make our work environment better. I know that Stephanie is striving to make this place better and we would be better served just to take her lead. Enough conspiracy people, racing doesn’t need another black eye from a bunch of false stories and trumped up charges.

So all Penn National folks should take Beatties lead and send their horses to slaughter too? Wow.

I think there is something seriously wrong with you.

[judybigredpony]

[QUOTE=John Sunwack;4937821]
Beautiful night for racing at Penn National. Lets celebrate some of the good instead of dwelling on the phony accusations. All of you should work as hard as Steph Beattie does on her barn. Use this work ethic and the class of her operation as the model for successful business. Give some credit where it’s due here people. There are barns here that have put us on the map and given us some respectability.

The only investigation that should be taking place is one where we, as horsemen, learn from some of the local stars of our game. Appreciate it for what it is[/QUOTE]

Seriously if you keep giving us so much good stuff on Stephanie we will need to become diabetics.
Your over enthusiasim shouts to loud.

No then where is the horse???

And while having no beef with her wonderful owners if they are such stand-ups why don’t they 1. Pay to euthanise privately any unsound or un rehababile horse.
2. Why don’t they have their own retirement farm for the horses who so prominantley figure in their lives.
3. Why aren’t they offering for sale either thru CANTER or another source the horses still capable of having an after race life.
4. Plenyt of us out here who would take for cost of care and rehab n sell to bonified homes the horses sound enough.

Oh but wait maybe they can’t survive out of SB special super wonderful “Elite” program. With all of her incredible suppliments…

DO NOT dare tell us the Owner for crying out loud doesn’t have a say or financial hand in what the Trainer SB does with their horses when done or totalled.

You dare to expect us to believe with a string as large as hers that all those horses will go to wonderful peaceful retirements unless claimed by other parties.

[DickHertz]

The owners do not want to know the truth, Judybigredpony. Otherwise, they would have requested the whereabouts of their horses who have been retired. Instead, we have Business as Usual.

[caffeinated]

@John Sunwack;4938112

And Big Bopper where is your proof of missing horses? Are you out searching in fields and checking tatoos to find them? [edit] If you have proof then provide it.

Actually, since she sold the horse, the burden of proof would be on her to explain where it went when asked.

If she’s such a wonderful business person, why is there no bill of sale? or a name? One would think such a brilliant and ethical person would understand that that’s a very basic and important thing to do when selling horses, if for no other reason than to cover her rear end.

I just think that if you’re going to claim to be all for efforts to retire horses and treat them well, you’d think that knowing where your horses are going would be a basic tenet of your ethical system.

No jealousy on my end - I am not a race trainer or owner who has her success to envy. Just been watching all this with some interest, especially as racehorse placement/retirement is a very big part of my life.

If she’s going to stand up as the head of the HBPA and make calls for putting in place a retirement system, you’d think she would also be smart enough to do things like get a bill of sale.

Seriously, any trainers/owners out there reading this - BILL OF SALE. It’s not that hard. You can write them on napkins for godsake.

eta - I’m too removed from this to really make accusations… just saying, IF a person cares, is ethical, and a good business person, then it would follow they would do things like getting bills of sale and having records.

[DickHertz]

Caffeinated you make some good points. Ironically, these are the questions the likes of Rob Marella and Christopher McErlean should be asking but instead their lack of courage is more than abundantly clear.

It is beyond shear amazement that Steph is still in charge of setting up the retirement program, but if she wasn’t in charge then it would not be Business As Usual.

[John_Sunwack]

What is wrong with you rabid witch hunters? I am sure if Steph had broken any laws or violated company policy, then the appropriate action would have been taken. But all we have are a group of disgruntled, bitter horsemen and rescue people searching for a forum for their agenda. If some of you spent more time on your own business. You probably wouldn’t have to to cry about these false charges. You would be busy enjoying success just like Steph. Even though she makes time to give back to the racing community each and every day. The woman is a humanitarian and a known lover of horses.

I mean she is actually a victim in all of this. She gave some horses away and these people conned her by taking them to the killers. She is only guilty of trusting that other people love horses as much as she does. Believe me she has learned her lesson and it’s time to move past the nitpicking and thank her for her service to the backside

And to be honest, your proof of guilt is beyond [bull]. Steph has started tens of thousands of horses and all you witch hunters could uncover were two horses from 2008 that were of no fault of hers. Ha!!!"!!! Do you see how much of a joke this is? You people should be ashamed and forced to publicly apologize to Stephanie Beattie.

And to all of you who still doubt my confidence in what I say. I will bet the first three people who challenge me on this board, 500.00 apiece that they cannot provide concrete proof that Steph Beattie has deliberately sent a horse to slaughter in the last year. Put your money where your mouth is. [edit]

[SwtVixen]

1+1= …

One more time:

 There is already a retirement program at PN...the RACE fund. It was approved 2004. HPBA simply failed to offer the Promised funding .... why? HPBA needs to answer that... 

again Steph Beattie as President is the go-to-person to answer that.
The Pres of the HPBA made a choice to slaughter (without making ANY effort for placement) her horses rather than use the retirement programs already in place when she took office …
Ok giving some benefit of … Perhaps the Pres of the HPBA didnt like the current program… why not implement one that works immediately and use it rather than simply deliver horses to kill pens, kill barns and kill buyers.?
or use someone elses rescue efforts?
there’s outlets with CANTER,
RACE fund at Philly.
and plenty of elsewheres more than willing to assist
.
Commission has made every effort to educate the backside horseman on how to use their FREE bill of sales in ALL horse transactions! for years! fact.

Accountablity is certainly missing here as much as probably more horses than we can imagine.

Maybe the Pres of the HPBA can start answering some of the easy questions like “where is the horse?” (Jan 2010)
before trying the hard ones like…and what was your reasoning for slaughtering your horses?
and the even harder ones like …and who did you deliver those horses to?

[Dispatcher]

@John Sunwack;4939020

What is wrong with you rabid witch hunters? I am sure if Steph had broken any laws or violated company policy, then the appropriate action would have been taken. But all we have are a group of disgruntled, bitter horsemen and rescue people searching for a forum for their agenda. If some of you spent more time on your own business. You probably wouldn’t have to to cry about these false charges. You would be busy enjoying success just like Steph. Even though she makes time to give back to the racing community each and every day. The woman is a humanitarian and a known lover of horses.

I mean she is actually a victim in all of this. She gave some horses away and these people conned her by taking them to the killers. She is only guilty of trusting that other people love horses as much as she does. Believe me she has learned her lesson and it’s time to move past the nitpicking and thank her for her service to the backside

And to be honest, your proof of guilt is beyond [bull]. Steph has started tens of thousands of horses and all you witch hunters could uncover were two horses from 2008 that were of no fault of hers. Ha!!!"!!! Do you see how much of a joke this is? You people should be ashamed and forced to publicly apologize to Stephanie Beattie.

And to all of you who still doubt my confidence in what I say. I will bet the first three people who challenge me on this board, 500.00 apiece that they cannot provide concrete proof that Steph Beattie has deliberately sent a horse to slaughter in the last year. Put your money where your mouth is. [edit]

“Deliberately” ? I don’t think that has to be determined. One simply needs to determine that she sent/sends horses to slaughter. Which has been proven. So what is your point?

And who wants to enjoy success at the expense of the horses.

When you say she gives back to the racing community, I guess you need to clairify who that particular community is. Sure sounds like it isn’t most of the honest trainers, riders, owners, fans & horses at Penn National.

[John_Sunwack]

Dispatcher, have you fallen and bumped your head? Nothing has been proven. If you are looking to punish every large trainer that has mistakenly had a horse end up in a kill pen, then you might as well clear out the entire backside. Or are you so ignorant, that this true fact has evaded your witch hunt? Get the facts before you come on here spewing your rambling nonsense.
And exactly what expense are you speaking of? Have you witnessed it? Do you have pictures or video? NO!!! All second hand storytelling and growing fables of Penn National. [edit]

[judybigredpony]

:eek::no:Oh Johnny Sunwacked…I have a VERY successfull business, respected and knowledgable in the re-sale of OTTB.
Been doing it alot of years no tender yearling here rather a well seasoned ole mare. I don’t need to blow my own horn or smoke. I am very comfortable with who I am and what I do.

And one or two things I do know…1 is don’'t take any of SB’s cause they will crash and most likely not recover…wonder why her horses don’t pop-up on any of the sportshorse re-sale sites, or have succesfull show/event/fox-hunter/PC/4-H…heck they don’t even pull Amish Buggies.

So far how many people have come on and said they have a horse they bought from her @ Penn and its sound happy healthy and doing well as a sports horse.

Obviously you have an “False Idol” worship compex.

Any trainer with a string that large and big of a stall turn-over has to have many outlets…maybe a long time pal who takes them in bulk triages and sells off keeps the cream to make-up n profit from.
A horse dealer or 2 who they call when need be moved on.the odd cripple who neds to be put down but of course every dollar is squeezed out goes off to Killers.
By now she should have very good relationships with a few levels of OTTB resalers and ridng schools.
How many of her horses have been on the CANTER Boards you seem to have the inside track. How many say from 2005 to present and exactly how many horses has she trained from 2005 to present?
How many are still actively racing??? thats 5 years so at most they would be 7 if she got them as 2yr olds…come on pony up the statisitcs. You know so much.
I realize she has a claiming turn over but that doesn’t account for where the horses all go.

No it is not illegal to sell a horse to a killer, no it is not illegal to sell a horse at auction.
But when a race track prints in a public forum they have a zero tolerance for DIRECT sale to slaughter and their most Upstanding President and Trainer does exactly that or even indirectly and makes no apology, makes no dontation in the horses names to any of the Recue Causes and pleads for forgiveness and makes no Effort to amend her ways…it truly shows the moral fiber of the person…and by association her connections.