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#1601

Proof proof proof. While I appreciate all of your horse rescue efforts none of you can provide me with concrete recent proof that Steph sends horses directly to slaughter. Wild theories of horses crashing and being hidden are widely unverified.

Why doesn’t somebody take my bet? Anybody? ?!! Oh yes, I forgot, nobody has any proof. You would all lose the bet and look like jealous fools. All of this nonsense is going nowhere fast. Stop these absurd postings while you still have an ounce of dignity left. Bigredpony. You should spend more time rescuing your brain from this lynch mob fantasy that you and your group have created with no merit

#1602

[QUOTE=John Sunwack;4939020]

I mean she is actually a victim in all of this. She gave some horses away and these people conned her by taking them to the killers. She is only guilty of trusting that other people love horses as much as she does. Believe me she has learned her lesson and it’s time to move past the nitpicking and thank her for her service to the backside

And to be honest, your proof of guilt is beyond bullshit. Steph has started tens of thousands of horses and all you witch hunters could uncover were two horses from 2008 that were of no fault of hers. Ha!!!"!!! Do you see how much of a joke this is? You people should be ashamed and forced to publicly apologize to Stephanie Beattie.

And to all of you who still doubt my confidence in what I say. I will bet the first three people who challenge me on this board, 500.00 apiece that they cannot provide concrete proof that Steph Beattie has deliberately sent a horse to slaughter in the last year. Put your money where your mouth is. Or shut up forever and crawl back into your disgusting holes[/QUOTE]

Alrighty, then, let’s have some proof. She has started 10s of thousands of horses. Please provide proof of that stat, because, man, you are looking for the high boots, now.

And you acknowledge that she gave the horse away, and that it was slaughtered. Umm. They conned her by taking the horse to the killers. This doesn’t just imply that she knew- it states that she did know. Hello, Steph? Your buddy John [edit] says you deal horses to known KBs? Hello? Hello?

#1603

[edit]

First of all, [edit] what I was saying is that Steph starts an uncommonly large number of horses. Over 3000 horses since 1999 to be a little more exact. [edit], Please explain why none of these horses have turned up in kill pens over the last year. Did she bury them all in her back yard. [edit]

There was no acknowledgements that any horse was slaughtered. [edit] I clearly stated in so many words that she was deceived into believing that the horses were going to a good home. In no way was it stated or implied that she has a known relationship with known kill buyers. You are making lousy, misguided assumptions. But then again you are the perfect spokesperson for the witch hunt. Blind, uneducated statements based on nothing but second hand lies and folklore. [edit]

#1604

Class Act…

[edit]

Mr. Sunwack or whatever your true name is:
Your opening paragraph directed at ASB Stars truly shows what a no-class act you are. This whole thread has been a tough one to read, but being rude just makes it more unlikely that people will read anything you write.

[edit] If you truly want to represent ‘your side’ of the argument, try being civil. Manners will get you a bit further with everyone even if folks don’t agree with you.

I hate reading this thread, but I feel as a horseman it is my duty to keep up with what is going on in the industry…and maybe learn something. It’s just a shame that people feel they can’t use their real names when they make a statement.

Hallie I. McEvoy

#1605

John Sunwack

Where do I start my friend. You want proof? You want proof???

Here is proof. SB and Red ran Major Mecke on a Saturday night 2/16/08 and was in the New Holland Pen on 2/18/08.

You want more proof [edit]? SB has run over 145 different horses over the last 2 years and she can’t account for 75% of them to this day or produce a bill of sale.

I’ve seen her horses run here at Charlestown get claimed by very well respected horseman who can’t even get a check with them. Is SB that much of a better horseman than people who win at a solid 15-20% down here? I remember a horse named Money Feet who had pasterns more sloping than a ski resort. Horse won 3 or more in a row by wide margins. A top trainer claims it and eats it, never gets a check. This is one of many I have seen at Charles Town.

We do not have the best HBPA in the world at CT, but I have to say if this was our President who had done these things they would not be the President anymore. Someone on that board must love her to death to keep her in tact.

#1606

Any update on Vern Rings as an alleged kill buyer? Has he spoken out [edit]

Found this link on another forum when I did a search engine run.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18454

#1607

[QUOTE=John Sunwack;4939020]
What is wrong with you rabid witch hunters? I am sure if Steph had broken any laws or violated company policy, then the appropriate action would have been taken. But all we have are a group of disgruntled, bitter horsemen and rescue people searching for a forum for their agenda. If some of you spent more time on your own business. You probably wouldn’t have to to cry about these false charges. You would be busy enjoying success just like Steph. Even though she makes time to give back to the racing community each and every day. The woman is a humanitarian and a known lover of horses.

I mean she is actually a victim in all of this. She gave some horses away and these people conned her by taking them to the killers. She is only guilty of trusting that other people love horses as much as she does. Believe me she has learned her lesson and it’s time to move past the nitpicking and thank her for her service to the backside

And to be honest, your proof of guilt is beyond bullshit. Steph has started tens of thousands of horses and all you witch hunters could uncover were two horses from 2008 that were of no fault of hers. Ha!!!"!!! Do you see how much of a joke this is? You people should be ashamed and forced to publicly apologize to Stephanie Beattie.

And to all of you who still doubt my confidence in what I say. I will bet the first three people who challenge me on this board, 500.00 apiece that they cannot provide concrete proof that Steph Beattie has deliberately sent a horse to slaughter in the last year. Put your money where your mouth is. Or shut up forever and crawl back into your disgusting holes[/QUOTE]

You must have some other interest in life than “Steph’s” reputation n’est pas? I have been on the receiving end of some of “Steph’s” so called rehomed horses, well, while they were standing in the kill pen at New Holland anyway, but of course “Steph” would not know anything about any of that because she was too busy working so hard right? There is already proof but you will not accept it since all you have to say is that she was conned, she has no documents or bill or sale but of course, she is just too busy being nice and giving the horses “to a good home”. As far as believing that the proof of her innocence is that she has not been charged, is this a joke? PNGI is well known for it’s model behavior, that is, of the inmates running the institution, kind of like BP.

#1608

WHOA, name calling is - no matter what the matter - NOT ok! :no:

#1609

Yes, I agree, name calling is out of line here. This forum is only a place of debate.

      But, thank you Johnnie for offering your information into the pool of questions surrounding the unaccountable horses. 
ie; duped? by who? bill of sale? a name? how did the contact originate? who picked up the horse? cash?/receipt?
     deceived? same questions....how did they access the track?/day pass? at the farm? 
     to trust other people takes time...their names? 
there has to be ......... something........?

think …think a bit… perhaps some of the (other) reasons to know this information is: you(johnnie) are stating: there are people on the backside with intent to deceive to aquire kill horses.

       If thats so, then (one would expect) the Pres of the HBPA(P=protective), to aggressively approach this subject.

     There is proof of horses being in kill pens(fact), of being delivered to kill pens(fact), and a betting person would down their last dollar that KB's even pick up at their (SB-DW) farms (alleged at this time).

      [B]The next focus is to ask[/B]--- who is the go-to person needed to ask the hard questions of accountability. even the current simple one --

Where is Contrary?

There is policy at PN concerning this kind of activity – as much as there is, drug policy, drinking policy, even a no-dogs policy — all quickly and thoroughly enforced.
There is nothing that makes this any different.

   So, what would be the chain-of-command here?
#1610

[QUOTE=haligator;4940117]
It’s just a shame that people feel they can’t use their real names when they make a statement.

Hallie I. McEvoy[/QUOTE]

There’s alot of hiding behind screen names from the complainers too.

#1611

This person appears to be trained in reverse phycology and slick arguementation. It’s almost as if he has “attorney” written all over him.

#1612

Shun Tjhe Troll

Why is it that when a Trainer stood up in an HPBA meeting and proposed a $10.00 per entry donation be made into a Retirement for Fund for the horses…YOUR Estimed and most Humbly Notable President…vehemently shot that down…why…because it would put a fiancial burden on the owners???

And Johnnie Honey is it your intent to create such a [edit] Storm that the Mods shut this board down…

Oh and Johnnie Darling I DO NOT RUN A RESCUE…I DO NOT LURK AT AUCTIONS…I AM NOT A BLEEDING HEART HORSE HOARDER…I do how ever have 2 very well bred mares and their get won’t run at Penn.
And I buy and sell OTTB. PersonallyBought and Paid for who if found unsound or unsuitable I Pay to have put down privately and humanely. They get re-trained and sold into quality homes and are enjoying real sports horse career.

Hope to crash…er bump into you at Penn on the backside while horse shopping.
Perhaps you can personally escort me thru SB barn and pick out the ones with livers still intact.

COTHER’s WE MUST SHUN THIS TROLL LESAST HE GET US SHUT DOWN…

#1613

John Sunwack writes well and clearly. Yes, his position is provocative, but the way to disarm this type of post is to answer just as calmly as one can. Look at it this way, his asking for concrete proof is only what a DA would do. And he’s offered cash. So anyone who doesn’t have a summer job and knows the track can pick up a little green if they can do the investigating. Just keep several copies and share your info with this board, if you would.

Meanwhile, my issue with John Sunwack is that he’s changing the game a bit. He’s asking for concrete proof that S Beattie sent a horse directly to the killers/ auction. I thought the PN policy was that a trainer was responsible for a horse that went directly or indirectly to the killers/ killpen. And any trainer should have the records on hand to show where each and every horse went that left their control.

Finally, does anyone know what is John Sumwack’s connection to racing? Especially at PN?

#1614

[QUOTE=John Sunwack;4940067]

First of all, [edit] what I was saying is that Steph starts an uncommonly large number of horses. Over 3000 horses since 1999 to be a little more exact. [edit], Please explain why none of these horses have turned up in kill pens over the last year. Did she bury them all in her back yard. [edit]. [/QUOTE]

Over 3K horses vs “10’s of thousands”. Yep, you are absolutely a trustworthy, factual source. No question.

[edit] There isn’t a single reason to believe that Stephanie could possibly be so naive as to pass those horses off, unless she simply did not care, and it was just another day for her. If she is as grand, experienced and talented as you claim, please explain how she could also let this kind of thing happen, this far along in her inglorious career.

#1615

We’ve removed some inappropriate language/insults from the thread and addressed the issue with the posters involved. Please adhere to our posting policies if you’d like to continue sharing your perspective on the site. If someone posts something in violation of these policies, please report it. Responding in kind will only put your own membership here in jeopardy.

Thanks,
Mod 1

#1616

Thanks Moderator 1!

[QUOTE=Moderator 1;4940359]

We’ve removed some inappropriate language/insults from the thread and addressed the issue with the posters involved. Please adhere to our posting policies if you’d like to continue sharing your perspective on the site. If someone posts something in violation of these policies, please report it. Responding in kind will only put your own membership here in jeopardy.

Thanks,
Mod 1[/QUOTE]

Dear Mod 1,
I apologize for any language or foul thoughts I may have conveyed - when it comes right down to it, however, I was ‘quoting’ the exact post from the person in question. From now on, I’ll write you instead of trying to get my point across about rude, curse-filled writing and behavior.

As far as hiding behind screen names, that was addressed to everyone, not just people taking a ‘pro’ or ‘con’ stance.

Once again, I apologize for my quotes which now seem a bit out of context, and I will endeavor not to refer or quote any posts which use poor language skills and curses. You job is hard enough wuthout having to ‘police’ everyone in this huge sandbox. I am really, really sorry.

You Moderators do a fantastic job so the rest of us can have our voices heard. I’ll try to be a little more sensitive toward your ‘jobs’ and not give you concern for my posts.

Mea Culpa,
Hallie I. McEvoy

#1617

Not looking to punish anyone who mistakenly sends a horse to slaughter–only those who do it on purpose.

Expense of THE HORSE. Seems from all who know SB (except you), her horses aren’t much good for anything after she’s done with them. Oh, wait…they are good enough to send indirectly to slaughter.

And if I was SB, I sure wouldn’t want the likes of you defending me. You really don’t come across well at all.

#1618

Thank You

[QUOTE=Moderator 1;4940359]
We’ve removed some inappropriate language/insults from the thread and addressed the issue with the posters involved. Please adhere to our posting policies if you’d like to continue sharing your perspective on the site. If someone posts something in violation of these policies, please report it. Responding in kind will only put your own membership here in jeopardy.

Thanks,
Mod 1[/QUOTE]

Appreciate your stepping in so no one goes overboard and gets this Thread Shut Down.
Apologize for any inappropriate language.

The proverbial stick to a hornets nest…

#1619

PN has a Policy

McErlean said Penn National has a long-term commitment to the humane treatment of animals.

That was quoted off the public release of PN’s anti-slaughter policy, dated April 1, 2010. (23days ago)

Anyone know what McErlean has said of this ?
And if he doesnt take action --- who is his *supervisor?


   Just a little looking on the net uncoverd the known horses rescued from kill pens --- going over each name of SB's horses and determining their locations-- that isnt hard..
  1. living
  2. where? with whom?
  3. dead
  4. how and where was disposal
  5. give aways (or sold) please produce a bos
#1620

Let’s cut through the opinions, abusive language, and speculation. I do apologize for my questionable language and vow to refrain from any profanity in the future on this thread. I have become frustrated with the lack of verifiable evidence that the majority of you have not been able to supply to support your main points

At least give Steph a reasonable chance to defend herself. Many of you say that her horses crash from some sort of drug when leaving her hands. Lets hear some specific names of horses with corroborating veterinary evidence. Instead of making harmful, general statements, provide specific data to prove your points.

You all want to see Penn National enforce its slaughter policy but you keep citing examples of horses that were pulled from kill pens in 2008. This is before the slaughter policy was in effect, and for purpose of documented racetrack action, is deemed to be irrelevant by Penn National. So lets not waste time asking Penn execs to enforce something that will not hold up during this time period.

I challenge any of you, once again,to provide any Steph Beattie slaughter violation that actually holds up during the period through which the policy was posted. If you do, I will personally present it to Penn management and demand that she be immediately removed from the grounds. But we all know that this is never going to happen because she would never do this to one of her horses. Steph is emotionally distraught and has cried many a tear over this fabricated mess. If you people cannot provide serious proof of wrongdoing, then I suggest that each and every one of you owes her a sincere, heartfelt apology

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