Business Owner - What to Do?

I have a friend that owns a small business in the equine industry. She has busted her butt, spent countless hours and dollars, and while she’s starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel - the growing pains have been rough.

One of the biggest things she runs in to is how to deal with awful clients. When she was first starting out, she gave away a lot of her product at cost just to promote and advertise it. I think a lot of businesses do this, or find professionals to “sponsor”. Countless times, she has been slighted when it comes to advertising by these professionals - they don’t tag her in social media, they don’t hashtag her brand, they don’t show any public gratitude for her generosity. She asked me what to do and I told her get a better contract and write these off as lessons learned.

However, she recently was in tears telling me about a trainer. For the sake of the story, let’s say my friend makes chaps (trying to protect anonymity). She made a trainer two similar pairs - different colors, different trim, different conchos - but overall similar. She sent them out and said hey - pick which pair you want to have at cost and I’ll send an invoice, just use the prepaid label I’m sending to return the other pair.

Trainer told her which she wanted, she sent the invoice and asked that the trainer put the other pair in the mail. Several weeks went by. Friend keeps asking, keeps inquiring, finally says - look either send the extra pair back by July 1st or I’m going to start tagging you in social media.

Yesterday, she receives the chaps back in the mail. The trainer has cut all of the fringe off the chaps, removed the conchos, and run sandpaper over the tooling - completely ruining them … and blocked my friend on social media.

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I’m at a complete loss to provide my friend advice. She called me in tears. And here is where you, dear COTHer, come in.

What does my friend do in this situation?

There is part of me that just says file a civil suit for the damages and be done with it. But that’s more money to file and lord knows if she’ll ever see anything out of it.

There is part of me that says post that story on social media - that trainer is acting atrociously and needs to be called out. I know, as an owner, I certainly wouldn’t want to do business with anyone who acted that way.

And then there is part of me that says just let it go - because you don’t want a stain on the business’ reputation for talking about clients, and you don’t want to invest more time into this.

Thoughts? How do business owners in such an insular industry like horses successfully navigate things like this in this day and age? I feel like there’s a piece where you don’t want to be seen as dramatic, but there’s also a part of me that doesn’t want these people to do the same thing to others. We have so much success using social media to call out animal abusers, and hoarders, and situations like that - how do we use those same tools to call out unethical business owners, abusive trainers, etc. without facing backlash and lawsuits?

To clarify, did the trainer order a pair of chaps or did your friend offer her a pair to try/buy or was looking to sponsor? Since I’ve never had a sponsor I assume they send their products to send for free use in exchange for kudo’s on social media.

That said, what the trainer did was wrong on all levels and inexcusable, regardless of the situation.

I hope your friend documented the damage to the product. I would post on social media what happened with pictures without calling out the trainer or perhaps I would call them out depending on the situation. Just keep in mind social media can be for or against you so calling the trainer out might have consequences.

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This is what popped into my head before I got to the part where you said it.

For a variety of reasons, horse people are not, in general, great at business things. I could say the same for a LOT of sole proprietor service providers. Some of them know this and hire professionals to, say, manage their social media.

I would definitely not go after the trainer, on social media or otherwise. There are always two sides to every story and any time I see a business owner attacking a client I think poorly of the business.

For example, a local feed store has a habit of posting that they have [items] available at a discount because someone placed a special order and did not pick it up and disparaging the person. They don’t name names but… I’ve ordered things from that store and she has a habit of not ordering exactly what you wanted. So there may well be a reason. And it doesn’t matter. Better to post a “Sale on high quality [item] with good pics” and who cares about how it came to be.

I might write the trainer a letter laying out the timeline and the facts and saying how disappointed I was by what happened, but ending by wishing them well in their future endeavors. Take the high road, always.

After that… signed contract in advance before anything “free” goes out the door.

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Well, your example is a bit unlikely and wierd and as you say not the real item so I won’t discuss that specifically.

But it sounds like your friend in general is being too generous with gifts in the absence of a strong contract and indeed in the absence of an expressed desire by trainers etc to promote her product.

If she’s giving the trainer a two for one deal on something then she needs payment before it ships.

If you just send product out with no contract and then hope for the best or send it out unsolicited you are more of an annoyance to the potential influencers. They get a freebie they didn’t really want and then have to think about it.

In my job I get endless sample textbooks from big publishers that are honestly just a PITA to wrangle and few of which interest me. However I’m not expected to do anything with them. They are just samples on the off chance I might prefer one. Like getting those little shampoo packets in the mail.

If you want a real sponsorship then you need recipient to agree to a contract up front. Maybe look up how the cosmetic companies do it with YouTube influencers.

Honestly I think few trainers really want to post about some random reins or supplement or saddle pad they got sent out of the blue. They have their own agenda for SM.

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To clarify, did the trainer order a pair of chaps or did your friend offer her a pair to try/buy or was looking to sponsor? Since I’ve never had a sponsor I assume they send their products to send for free use in exchange for kudo’s on social media.

The trainer asked to order “chaps” but wasn’t sure exactly what color she wanted with her horse, so my friend said I’ll send two options - same price for either (at cost in exchange for the kudos), and I’ll include a return shipping label to send the pair you don’t want back.

Did she get payment upfront?

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A suggestion for how to manage this in the future would be… send fabric/leather swatches and let the person choose from those. Not both of the expensive finished items.

I am in no way suggesting that if the trainer actually understood and agreed to this deal that it was okay for them to damage the product before sending it back. But there is quite possibly some alternate narrative where they thought they were to keep both of them and didn’t like the fringe and figured hey I’ll just cut that off and use these for schooling at home or whatever.

And what’s done is done, the product can’t be fixed and she is never getting any money for it. So she should stop giving the trainer free rent in her brain, and instead figure out how to never let this happen again.

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No; which I’ve already chastised her for. :woman_facepalming: That kind of goes back to the folks who aren’t giving her credit either - she’s learning some basic business lessons and taking the flack that goes with it.

The situation with the intentional destruction of merchandise is where I’m at a loss.

She can file in small claims court if she really wants the money back, if she decides the time and cost is worth it.

Otherwise, she can post a warning on social media, sure; be warned if the trainer is as nasty as you imply, they may retaliate.

Thanks, in that case it sounds like the trainer purposefully destroyed the pair if they ruined the tooling and conchos along with cutting the fringe off. Your friend should document the damage and send a bill to the trainer for the pair of chaps they destroyed; however, I’m sure the trainer will not pay.

Your friend can still post on social media and tell the story without naming the trainer. She can explain that business owners go to a lot of expense to sponsor riders/trainers and sometimes get treated very badly by the people they are trying to sponsor etc.

Agree, a contract and purchase agreement might be a good idea in the future.

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Since the chaps example is hypothetical its impossible to know if the real item was deliberately destroyed or just used hard. If deliberately destroyed then it sounds like a combination of the trainer is psychotic plus the business owner annoyed the trainer. If the item was just damaged or used up or broken, trainer may have misunderstood the basic agreement.

Anyhow, business owner needs to stop undervaluing her skills and time. And honestly I’m not sure how much business you’re going to get by sending comps to trainers. Most of them aren’t great at marketing themselves let alone other people’s products.

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Love it! Thank you!

I did something like that once. I just got this wild idea that my jewelry would sell well at the Ahwahnee gift shop. I phoned and got name of manager/buyer and unannounced, sent three or four very nice/expensive sample bracelets and a note. Followed up with a phone call one week later. In my case it worked well and for a few years i had a good buyer and the joy of knowing my work was being sold in my favorite hotel lobby in the world. It was a gamble, but i knew that going in. Knew that chances were good i would never recoup my cost or get three or four of my very best bracelets back. Sometimes you just need to take a big gulp and dive in.

I think your friend was not wrong to gamble. I think Scribbler was right in-that your friend probably crossed the line and incurred that trainer’s anger. She was not in a position to be pushy, she (your friend) was in a position to help grease the wheels…

I don’t think there’s any point in ‘blackening trainer’s reputation’. That just invites completely fictional reprisals and there’s no end to that nonsense.

Chalk it up to experience, and don’t do it again.

Friend needs to create a distinctive logo, put it on all products, in a way that isn’t removable. If it’s that kind of product.

Or, quit giving items away. It doesn’t sound like she’s been terribly successful with that strategy to date: try another one.

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I agree that the friend should bill trainer, and, in the event trainer still hasn’t paid for the first pair, roll that in there too, just like any business would. Imagine having an outstanding bill from your vet, then more gets added, it’s the same thing.

Friend needs to develop a contract or sales agreement, and if she is going to send before getting payment she should consider the time and cost of dunning people. Much easier to get the money up front. Do be sure she keeps the money around in the event of a return. She may also want to consider time limited/condition limited returns as well as some kind of re-stocking fee for custom returns, as she may not be able to re sell those at the same price, that fee can cover the difference.

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As much as I would want to in this situation, I would have to agree that bad mouthing the trainer on the internet is far more likely to backfire than do any good.

Your friend needs to make a contract, like everyone else says. It needs to include the number of tags on social media per time frame (so many a week or so many a month), and all those details. What the “chaps” will cost the influencer, how often they will get replacement “chaps” and all that stuff.

What this trainer did was wrong. No doubt about it.

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Friend should not, repeat, should not send anything out for someone to decide. She should have samples available of her work which she can then email photos of the choices she can make and don’t make anything until the person decides what they want. She should also ask for at least a deposit before sending anything out. She should disclose return policy ie no return or credit towards another purchase only. Custom items can be a pain. She should never take an order from anyone under 18. Had some kid place an order for a custom cooler when I worked in a tack store. Of course the parent had a cow and claimed that we ordered the wrong item, not what the trainer wanted so they weren’t buying the cooler. I told them we had no business taking a custom order from a 12 year old.

It’s hard to give much advice without knowing the sort of business. Other than she needs to be more selective about who she wants to sponsor.

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You let it go and learn a valuable lesson. No social media, no mention of it to anyone anywhere ever.

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I am also in the camp of you let it go and move on, learning a lesson in the process.
I run several small businesses. Two are equine related, one not. But no matter what, you never send any product without payment (or a contract, if it’s the kind of ‘product’ that requires a contract before payment).

Also, tell her to stop giving away products. I know that in the fashion world if Kim K wears designer X then that brand takes off. But the equestrian world is not like that. You don’t see Beezie Madden wearing ariats and immediately run out to buy a pair. Every time someone wins the eq finals we don’t all rush out to buy whatever show coat they had. In the equestrian world, a good PR campaign for a product actually involves very little true sponsorship. Even those trainers sporting their CWD banners at the shows paid for their saddles, they just got a discount. It really doesn’t pay to give away products.

In my experience, the best 3 ways to get equestrian businesses to take off are:

  1. social media. Tiktok, instagram, and Facebook are your friend. One viral video on tiktok of your product and you will have thousands of customers.
  2. booths at horse shows. If your product displays well, there’s no better way to get your product out to people who have money to spend and are your exact customer base. Local shows usually will welcome you for free, rated ones charge. Sometimes it’s a flat fee, sometimes it’s a percentage of sales.
  3. Get your product in stores. Bring samples to local tack stores and see if they are interested. Send samples to the bigger box stores. This is my only caveat on sending free merchandise; if you send it out, send it to retail stores as samples.
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I think it is fair to tell a friend to not use this trainer because they clearly have ethics issues if the friend is asking your opinion about a trainer change.
No need to go into details, but worth saying that your experiences with them show to you (the business owner the thread is about) that they are not someone that you would want to have a business relationship with.

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