Calling all feed experts - grain allergies - need suggestions

I just had my show horse serum tested for allergies. I knew he had some - he’s been on zyrtec and hydoxizine for the last 3 summers - but never knew what the exact allergans were. Thankfully he doesn’t seem to have many local plant allergies but his feed allergies are soy, oats, flaxseed, sunflower, and cottonseed.

His current diet is Purina Enrich and Purina Outlast. I talked to Purina and the Enrich is definitely a problem (soy). Outlast appears to be OK.

So, any suggestions for another ration balancer that would avoid all of the above?

I am going to proceed with the desensitization protocol.

TIA!

Why not a good Vitamin Mineral Supplement like MadBarn Omniety in a hay cube or beet pulp mash?

Will take that under advisement, but I have to factor in ease of feeding for the barn staff as he is boarded.

the vast majority of horses test as “allergic” to these, especially soy, oats, flax, and cottonseed. Blood testing for food allergies is highly unreliable. It’s not an allergy unless it’s coming into the 1000 range.

Can you post the whole test results?

What made you test for allergies?

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I tested because I have had one of those summers with him where everything seems to be just off. He was headshaking, he seemed NQR at work - not dead lame but not right either. His skin allergies seemed worse and his breathing didn’t sound right. So I went down what I consider the COTH NQR checklist (EPM, Lyme, lameness exam, teeth checked and done, bridle and bit checked and changed, saddle fit checked, still in progress). We knew he had allergies since he breaks out in hives every spring and gets pretty frantic when the itching starts. Just wanted to find out exactly what was bothering him.

Does all allergy testing use the same scale? Because he has been allergic to fly bites bad enough to develop eoisinophilic cysts that had to be removed - and yet his test numbers for bugs range from 100-200. But he is definitely allergic.

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100-200 isn’t an actual allergy with the blood serum testing. You really need skin testing for this.

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Sigh. I don’t want to quibble about the numbers. He’s predictably and demonstrably allergic to something or many somethings. I just wanted a snapshot of what those might be. So if there’s a feeding strategy that avoids the things that registered I would like to try it. Or if there isn’t, that’s helpful information too.
Before and after 5 days of benadryl. Happens every spring, except benadryl didn’t work after year 1. I realize that if he has food allergies they won’t manifest like this, but… the serum testing did line up with one set of allergies. The food allergies may not manifest like this, but I feel like I have to take the results seriously.


It sounds more like a bug/seasonal plant allergy than a food allergy. I have a mare who sounds like she has similar symptoms to yours. I give her EO3 oil and spirulina during allergy season and it provides noticeable support. No more giant hives from bug bites.

If you want to modify the diet, I agree that the “safest” thing to do is a VMS in a carrier - if your barn won’t do beet pulp, you could do alfalfa cubes or pellets.

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Hygain Zero

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well the horse could be removed from all grain for a period of time to see if its problem then disappear. Could be fed one of the hay pellets instead. We have several horses who are only getting teff pellets

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I’m not doubting/debating that he’s got something going on. But it’s a fact that blood testing for food allergies is unreliable, and numbers in the low 100s are not allergies. it’s also a known fact that Nextmune, who I assume did the test, says that nearly every horse is allergic to flax and oats, and not far behind is cottonseed. And when you think about it how many horses have ever actually been exposed to cottonseed?

If you tested during a “flare” of insect reactions, then his whole body is hyper-reactive and you’ll get a lot more “hits” that still aren’t allergies.

You can certainly remove those things. The simplest way is to do a full elimination diet - forage only for 2-3 weeks. If he gets better, and absolutely nothing else changes, then you start adding one thing back at a time, and if absolutely nothing else changes, then you can feel more confident it’s an actual food allergy.

The reason I asked if you could post the whole results, was that if there are a lot of low hits, then you may have a leaky gut situation. And yes, removing the things that are inappropriately crossing the intestinal barrier (the definitely of leaky gut) will reduce or remove symptoms, but it’s still not an allergy, and you haven’t resolved the underlying cause.

Pico_Banana has some good options of allergy support things to try. Marine-based Omega 3 products are an alternative to flax, and if he’s eating just hay, he really does need O3 not just for basic healthy, but to also support allergy issues.

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I tested him in late November, so not during insect season here. He had also been off his allergy meds for about a month.

IMHO with the composition of commercial horse products, it’s hard to know what’s in them. The tag on the Enrich in the barn uses generic language (processed grain products for example). I only got the specifics by contacting Purina directly. So who knows if someone somewhere used cottonseed oil in the grain?

I’ll talk to his vets next week and see what they have to say before I do anything. It’s helpful to know that Hygain Zero is available but I think I’ll wait to see how the desensitization goes.

The Purina Omega Match is soy free. I switched my guy to it. Seems to help a little. But as soon as it freezes here and the bugs die he stops itching. But from end of March through November what a pain. He’s also on hydroxizine and we did soy free feed. And he lives in a fly sheet with neck and belly 24/7. I feel your pain!!

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My gelding is allergic to alfalfa, but he gets hives when he eats it, along with turning into a stark raving lunatic that sees dead people. This has been really challenging from a feed perspective from the big feed companies that are buying up all the, in my opinion, smaller better companies that actually had a product label and stuck to it. Unlike your horse, he cannot get by on a ration balancer or just hay cubes so count yourself lucky you have one that can. You might look at Poulin Feeds in New England. Not sure where you are but there are a couple of distributors in the mid-Atlantic area. They are small and what is on their webpage is what’s on the label on the bag. Tribute also has a feed and a balancer that is soy free but you would have to look and see if there is flax in it.

Cornell has someone who will do virtual nutritional consulting. A horse at my barn can’t have gluten, and the nutritionist looked over the records and made diet recommendations based on the findings. Interestingly to me, it did not include a ration balancer but rather supplemented certain things (like vitamin E and selenium) based on the region. Horse doesn’t get grain.

Omega Match Balancer is soy-free, but it also has flax and oats in it. It could be an option, it could also be a trigger.

@oldernewbie I agree with JB that an elimination diet will probably be to only way to determine true food allergens. Now would be as good as time as any since you won’t have influence from insect allergies.

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I put my guy on Triple Crown GOLD Balancer. No soy or oats. There is flaxseed though.

I never had him tested, but I just kind of decided that since he’s a lumpy, itchy fella, I might as well feed him as “clean” as I can. He loves the TC Gold Balancer and looks very nice on it.

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Thank you everyone for the recommendations and info about the allergy testing. The current plan is to go ahead with the desensitization protocol, figure out what is going on with his hock, and get the saddle checked and re-fitted. Once we see how’s he’s doing after all that, the feed will be next up.

I try to address one issue at a time so I can pinpoint what might be causing the problem!

Again, thank you all!

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