I thought you had to be out in October? You are still at the horrible place? If conditions are as bad as you have said throughout this thread why have you waited so long to leave?
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I thought you had to be out in October? You are still at the horrible place? If conditions are as bad as you have said throughout this thread why have you waited so long to leave?[/QUOTE]
Post No.46 (found on the third page of the thread) explains why our foal is still there. Basically, it is due to the contract and reluctance of the mare’s owner to move her horse…despite the fact that she is oblivious to the conditions as she is never there…and I mean never.
Believe me, if I could have taken him away sooner, I would have. He has two more nights, then he leaves early on Saturday. Vet came out today and gave him a check-up, she told me that he is super…and seems strong. Obviously, I was delighted to hear this.
Carl
Just got back home…
Transport went well, woape was as well behaved as I could have wished for…although obviously calling and searching for his mum, he seems fairly relaxed now and is eating and drinking well. Initially, he spent time in the pasture with the large herd…was chased around a bit and came to me when he felt he needed to, then found himself a nice quiet corner (it’s absolutely huge there) and wasn’t bothered too much by the others. Later, we moved him to a smaller area where he is staying overnight with an older pony that seems to be the only one there who woape doesn’t mind right now. The only other foal on site is a bit bigger than woape and wanted to play…but our little guy was having none of it…maybe later, we’ll see. I was going to sleep over on site but he seems quite relaxed so I’ll try to improve on last night/this morning’s three hours of sleep (I was worried sick) and head over tomorrow. Will be spending even more time there now.
So, the location…
I am originally from the UK but moved here to Czech Republic about six and a half years ago. My wife is Czech and we are now settled here in Bohemia. The last site woape was at is a village called Zelkovice, near the town of Beroun which lies west of Prague. The last week there was really difficult…so sad…and so much stress…I just hope for everybody’s sake that things get better there as soon as possible…
The new place is managed by two young women who seem great…one just sent an SMS to say she just checked in on our little guy and he’s OK, still eating 
This day seemed so far away at times…feels like a great weight has been lifted…now, it is time for him to enjoy himself, make friends and be a happy horse
I am so happy for you and the real Woape! He will be part of the herd in no time once he’s given the chance to acclimate accordingly. As long as he’s not isolated, he can be by himself for a few days if necessary, so don’t worry if you need to do that if he’s getting picked on. He really needs a trusted buddy to hook up with, who is already part of the herd, so he can have someone he can count on when he gets with a bigger group.
I hope this new place is as wonderful as it sounds
Thank you JB. One of the older geldings was near him for a while and did glance over a few times…perhaps he will be the one to keep an eye on him, we’ll see.
So just out of curiosity, what does Woape mean? Is it a Czech word?
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So just out of curiosity, what does Woape mean? Is it a Czech word?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for asking.
woape is a Lakota (Sioux, Native American Indian) word. The word means hope. I have always had an interest in the Lakota culture. When he was born, he was very small and quite weak…I was very concerned and perhaps, at times still view him as such. His mum had been one of twins, the other, along with her own mother, sadly died, leaving woape’s mum an orphan. With all that in consideration, woape (pronounced “WHOA-AHH-PAY”) was the only choice for me.
Carl
Best of luck to you both. It is so refreshing to see someone care so deeply about their horse.
Thank you for your kind words Laurierace,
woape is indeed very precious to us, he is loved truly and deeply. I cannot put into words how much joy he brings into our life…just being around him is wonderful.
Yay for a soft landing for both you and Woape!!
Thanks Didi, so far so good. It has just started to snow here today, I am wondering what he’ll be thinking of that (his first experience of the white floaty stuff!)…rain, simply does not impress him…
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Thanks Didi, so far so good. It has just started to snow here today, I am wondering what he’ll be thinking of that (his first experience of the white floaty stuff!)…rain, simply does not impress him…[/QUOTE]
Oh, snow is FUN especially when it first falls. I have seen even the quietest horses get silly in the snow. (My mare, however, is not one of these. Snow just makes her want to eat more hay.)
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I would not be surprised if woape had a similar outlook
Quick update…
woape has been at his new place for a week now, seems to be doing OK and will soon start to spend the evenings with the herd. For now, he is spending the mornings and afternoons with them in the large pasture then coming home to the smaller section where he is with an older pony. I found some worms in his droppings a few days ago and woape, along with all of the horses there, will be tested in a few days time. Recent droppings appeared clear but he’ll still be checked. The girl who runs the place identified them and said it is nothing serious and that he likely received them through his mother’s milk.
Carl
sounds good and good luck with him in his new home. But I know I alway sound over cautious… please continue to deworm him regularly… I deworm my youngsters monthly for the first year. Later on its not that important anymore, but I believe that young horses do need deworming and I also believe that many colics later on are caused by worms in a young age… And I even think there was a study about it some years ago.
http://csu-cvmbs.colostate.edu/Documents/erl-learn-foals2-deworming-apr09.pdf
Thanks Manni, as ever, I appreciate your thoughts.
My personal choice is probably to do just that - I believe I read that a minimum of six treatments during his first year was correct…vet recently told me he should probably have another one in December…but then here at the new place, they regularly test all horses and don’t treat them unless something is wrong…I can understand both points of view…one says too many chemicals is bad for the youngster…and then another side is exactly as you highlighted…
I am a little torn between the two at the moment 
Carl
Carl-it’s been awhile since I had a foal but I believe the recommendations for worming are still quite different from adult horses. I’m not sure the fecal test method is recommended under a year of age. Please go with your vet recommendations rather than the farm’s method for his first year.
Sounds like Woape is making an easy transition to his new life!
He should be dewormed about every 4 weeks for the first 18-24 months at least, possibly longer depending on how long it takes his immune system to get up to speed.
This should be an alternation between:
ivermectin
and
EITHER double fenbendazole or double pyrantel pamoate.
That rotation will ensure resistance issues are dealt with appropriately.
Strongyles have high resistance to the latter 2 chemicals, so you need ivermectin for them.
But ascarids (a big problem for youngsters) have a growing resistance to ivermectin, so you need the double doses of the other chemicals to ensure you kill them. Double doses, not single.
The good thing about double pyrantel is it also kills tapeworms. So for a post-freeze, or 6 month-ish deworming for the ivermectin rotation, use either your equivalent of Equimax (ivermectin + praziquantel) or, if you don’t have something like that, make that deworming the double pyrantel pamoate for the tapeworms.
8-12 months is a good time to do a FEC to make sure the program he’s on is working.
Thank you JB, appreciate the time and thought put into your post.
woape will be seven months old next week, has just had his third treatment - this one was “Quest Plus” (moxidecdin/praziquantel) and was given to him after the worms I recently found were identified as tapeworms. These appeared in one load of droppings and seem to have been absent since…will continue to monitor though of course. His earlier treatments were ivermectin (at 2 and a half months) followed by fenbendazolum (double dose at 4 and a half months)
Carl
You pushed the envelope on the QP didn’t you 
I would have chosen the safer route of double pyrantel pamoate for the tapeworms. I’m glad he’s ok after the moxidectin - that can be tricky for one that young.
