I’m trying to find more info on my mare’s dam line. She is dutch but her dam line is hanoverian and I do not have access to their dam line info.
Dam is Greta by Gottfried out of Passion.
Thank you!
Who is your mare’s sire, what is your mare’s name, and when was your mare born?
And are you certain of the spelling of the names?
Any more info you can provide, like date of birth of dam, even color of sire/dam/damsire?
What registry is the sire listed in, and is he approved for other registries?
My mare’s sire is Jazz but I don’t need any info on the sire side. The Dam side is Hanoverian and the KWPN paperwork and pedigree only goes to grandparents on the Dam side. I would like to find more info on the dam line and that will have to be through someone who can access the hanoverian database.
I cannot find much info on Greta, only that she is HAN, and was born in the 90s. KWPN doesn’t list birth dates or color for her.
Gottfried is HAN and I have info for his ancestors. Just looking for info on Dam of Greta who is Passion sired by either Prince Rogue or Prince Rouge…can’t determine which one.
My mare’s sire is Jazz but I don’t need any info on the sire side. The Dam side is Hanoverian and the KWPN paperwork and pedigree only goes to grandparents on the Dam side. I would like to find more info on the dam line and that will have to be through someone who can access the hanoverian database.
I cannot find much info on Greta, only that she is HAN, and was born in the 90s. KWPN doesn’t list birth dates or color for her.
Gottfried is HAN and I have info for his ancestors. Just looking for info on Dam of Greta who is Passion sired by either Prince Rogue or Prince Rouge…can’t determine which one.
I searched
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com
Using Jazz as the sire, I do not see an entry with a filly out of Greta. That may simply mean that no one ever put the info into the database. If you put “Jazz” in the query box, you will find the KWPN Jazz by Cocktail out of Charmante.
Then click on that line, and use the drop down menu under “Reports” for “Progeny”. I searched for any filly that had Greta as her dam. No luck.
This is the result, sorted alphabetically by DAM’S name:
I went back and also searched simply for “Greta” and did not find anything relevant.
But now with the additional information, I will have a look and see if I can find anything further about Greta, Passion, and even Gottfried. Will post a link if I find something.
Bing!Bing!Bing! 
This MAY be your Greta’s pedigree. Sire is Gotthard, not Gottfried, which is why I asked if the spelling of all the names were correct.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/greta10
Greta10 (there are a ton of Gretas in the database, so she has a number to identified her within this database) was born 1973, attained St PR St, and her dam was Winkelreich, born 1966.
Winkelreich is by Winkel out of Winzergunst.
Greta’s sire was Gotthard, by Goldfisch II, out of Ampa.
It is possible that this is NOT your Greta, since there is no mention of “Passion” as Greta’s dam, nor of any Prince* as damsire.
However, if you look at the top menu bar, you will see “Greta” in the search box, and you can select “Progeny” for any offspring she produced, that was recorded in this database. (That’s another way that I confirmed that this was YOUR Greta.)
Here we find a list of foals out of Greta, with sires listed:
I see that she had two fillies and two colts by Graphite, between 1969 and 1980.
Then she had another filly by Atilla, with no date. I do not see a record for any foals sired by Jazz. I my not have the correct mare for YOUR Greta, since this Greta, Greta10 as identified in this pedigree data was born 1973.
OR, it is possible that it is the right mare, but any foal by Jazz was not yet entered into the database.
I’m thinking that the date for Greta10, born in 1973, makes her unlikely to be your mare’s dam. In what year was your mare born? That might definitively rule Greta10 out as her dam. Unless Greta10 lived an exceptionally long life!
You may also have incorrect information about Greta’s pedigree, is that possible?
This may help you use the pedigree search, though. I will look for Passion and see if anything comes up. I will also review my steps because I am fighting a virus and might have missed some info, so I will keep looking.
it will probably help people to know that your horse is u go girl 2001 kwpn.
Passion M 1137 is listed as being by prince rogue xx, out of a mare called pointe. pointe’s pedigree is not filled in on the sales ad that appeared on, but there is a 1980 hanoverian mare by that name by Pilot.
Never mind my novel of a post. I just re-read your post and you write that Greta was born in the 1990’s.
Never mind! 
I found this mare, Pointe, possibly Passion’s dam? Year sounds about right.
LadyJ79, I am trying to track it past the point/pointe and Prince Rogue/Prince Rougexx so I determine which of the several of both names it is. I’m hitting a wall at this point but someone who is a member of the hanoverian society may be able to look them up.
Skip99 I don’t know if that is the right mare as I don’t have pedigree info further back than her name and I don’t want to have incorrect info.
I suppose I will just email the verband and see if they can help me.
Hi, i have Access to the database of the german FN.
There is no entry for either a mare Greta by Gottfried or Passion. There is also no entry for a licensed Hanoverian stallion called Gottfried. You`re sure his Name is spelled correct? Because every licensed warmblood stallion is listed in this database. One can trace back Pedigrees up to the 18xx years there…
where are your Information from? If they come from a passport i would be helpful if you could take a Picture of the Pedigree in the passport and upload it here. In european passports there are individual numbers for each registered horse, with which i can possibly find the ancestors better.
In the german database i also found one stallion called “Prince Rouge”, a thoroughbred stallion who covered Trakehner, Hanoverian and Thoroughbred Mares. The youngest progeny of this stallion was registered in 1976 (but unfortunately no Passion). You wrote the mare Greta is Born in the 90s. It is possible that her dam is by that stallion, she would have been around her 20s while giving birth to Greta.
if you have any other Information, let me know.
There is also no “Prince Rogue” registered in the database. Therefore it must be “Prince Rouge”
Does this help?
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=LN&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
All my KWPN paperwork says is:
Greta M 1325
Gottfried M 1338
Passion M 1338
Gottfried is on the sporthorse database he’s by goldpilz x Gotthard
Di you look at the pedigree in the link from post #12?
It is for a Hano mare listed as “LN” (Lacking Name?), by Prince Rouge (TB, born 1951), out of Pointe (Hano, born 1973).
If she has actual kwpn papers ahouldn’t they be able to help since they would have to have pedigree information of the dam for papers rather than cop, i would imagine?
I know they wouldn’t have to inspect a properly pedigreed erkend mare, but I presume they would require proof of pedigree?
I would love this to be her and it would make sense that it is but I’m hoping for official proof.
I have all the info that kwpn provided.
Does the mare have Kwpn papers?
I don’t think a 1951 stallion produced a 1990s mare.
Oh wait…is that for Passion M? Still seems far fetched if the dam is a 1973 model and the sire a 1951 model.
That means passion would have to be >1976. So a 25+ stallion to a two+ mare. And then breeding her in late teens or twenties for a nineties mare.
I really would expect if your mare is papered that kwpn would have her pedigree information.
I have my mare’s kwpn papers but her dam line only shows 3 generations back per what Kwpn inputted.
The years might work as the 90s era mare is Greta (dam of my mare) and she would be granddaughter of Prince Rouge who was born in '51.
