Can I find out if he is registered as a Welsh pony?

[KellyS]

Hey all!

I sent an email to the WPCSA today and am waiting for an answer, but thought I’d ask it here as well in case someone knows.

Is there anyway to find out if a pony is registered with the WPCSA–if you have no other information than age (and color/markings)? My husband and I got a pony from an auction kill pen last week (see thread on Off Course :)) and he is supposed to be Welsh (came in with a large group of varied horses from Kentucky). He in incredibly typey and I’m thinking Welsh cob. He’s 7 and I’m just really curious to see if he’s registered, and if so perhaps find out his history.

Possible? Or not?

[SSFLandon]

I don’t think so…unless you have at least his name but, then in order to get papers I would think they would need DNA to verify he’s him and his parentage…good luck and good for you! I have one that I saved last year and I know both his parents are regestered but, I have yet to inquire about him. I do know his full name. At some point I may have to pay and do the DNA thing.

[Rhyadawn]

If you could track down what area he came from, and a breeder, you might have a shot at identifying him. DNA would be necessary.

[rideagoldenpony]

The WPCSA does not issue or transfer papers based on DNA results.

You would need to have the papers and a signed transfer from the previous owner in order to get the papers, if the pony was already registered.

Is there any way to possibly backtrack to the previous owner to find out any information?

Do you have a photo? Maybe somebody might recognize him.

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=KellyS;4732119]
Hey all!
He in incredibly typey and I’m thinking Welsh cob. He’s 7 and I’m just really curious to see if he’s registered, and if so perhaps find out his history.

Possible? Or not?[/QUOTE]

there were some cobs for sale in and around KY not too long ago…his face is not familiar to me but he is typey…

the best honest shot is to either put him on the wpcsa facebook page and ask there and for a farther audience you can pay to place a color ad in the magazine looking for info on him

Tamara in TN

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=KellyS;4732119]
He in incredibly typey and I’m thinking Welsh cob. He’s 7 and I’m just really curious to see if he’s registered, and if so perhaps find out his history.

Possible? Or not?[/QUOTE]

it strikes me that he has Nebo Calonog’s face…Gretchen ? what do you think ??

try Ashland Welsh and Gallod Welsh and ask them who
was making baby boys 7 years ago…

Tamara in TN

[rideagoldenpony]

That’s an interesting thought, Tamara…

Something about him looked familiar to me. Maybe that was it.

If he was one of Susan’s, I’m sure she would recognize him in a heartbeat.

Something about him makes me think I remember something… .but it’s just out of reach in the memory banks…

[rideagoldenpony]

I just looked at the pictures again. I wonder if he is a C or D x A cross. I wonder if he might have come from Oregon…

Have you measured him yet?

[KellyS]

Wow! Thanks everyone!

I emailed Ashland and Gallod; Mel from Ashland emailed me back and said he’s not a Nebo Canolog son, but that she was putting more feelers out.

I also cross posted to the CD-L (carriage driving list); a wonderful person there emailed the WPCSA president to help see if we could figure out who he is. He’s also apparently been posted to some of the Welsh discussion forums.

If we all can’t figure out who he is, then I don’t think we ever will!

I can’t stick him yet (he’s terrified of anything near his body so we’re just working on grooming a little), but is right around 13.2…I know! Right on the border between C and D. He has a lot of action in his movement (versus flat-kneed hunter movement), which is great for driving. We love it!

I’ll keep everyone posted. :yes:

[Poniesofmydreams]

I followed his story and I am so happy he is home. We too have a rescued Welsh and we were able to obtain her papers and full history. Two years later we have professional photos and even a video of her as a baby and jumping at her first show. We even found out she has foaled twice and we were able to obtain photos of her and her baby when they were turned out for the first time. It did take some time and a lot of research though.
Good luck and don’t give up. Someone will know something about him.

[rideagoldenpony]

E-mail Kathleen Rawls and ask if she recognizes him: mtdragonwelsh@gmail.com

[exvet]

I second the recommendation from rideagoldenpony. That blaze looks like it either came from one of Kathleen’s stock or I do remember a B’s (prefix) pony looking very similar though much younger. It’s been a few years so I don’t remember the name or where the pony was at the time.

ETA: There was a section C sold here two years ago that looked very similar; but, I’m pretty sure he didn’t leave the state. Interestingly he’s by Menai Carlo and out of an Evans mare.

[Tamara_in_TN]

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ETA: There was a section C sold here two years ago that looked very similar; but, I’m pretty sure he didn’t leave the state. Interestingly he’s by Menai Carlo and out of an Evans mare.[/QUOTE]

Synod Ronan has that same white left eyelid…but I don’t know how much outside breeding Martha does with him…Siberia Welsh has also made colts with that left white

Tamara in TN

[exvet]

Given the area, what about Winkelman’s (sp?)? Are they still breeding? Didn’t they have one that was throwing some splash white and outcrops a while back?

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=exvet;4736224]
Given the area, what about Winkelman’s (sp?)? Are they still breeding? Didn’t they have one that was throwing some splash white and outcrops a while back?[/QUOTE]

yeah they are still here:http://www.winkelmanfarm.com/index.php?content=history

Tamara in TN

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;4736288]
yeah they are still here:http://www.winkelmanfarm.com/index.php?content=history

Tamara in TN[/QUOTE]

this guy is close but he has 4 whites not two:
http://static.equine.com/listing_images/9/6/6/966715_12771086_hd.jpg

Tamara in TN

[dmalbone]

[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;4736288]
yeah they are still here:http://www.winkelmanfarm.com/index.php?content=history

Tamara in TN[/QUOTE]

“Winkelman Pony-Horse” w.t.f…

[rideagoldenpony]

[QUOTE=exvet;4736224]
Given the area, what about Winkelman’s (sp?)? Are they still breeding? Didn’t they have one that was throwing some splash white and outcrops a while back?[/QUOTE]

Good suggestion.

I look at him and think he’s not a pure cob. Some kind of cross (C or D) with a Section A. At least to my eye.

I do not think he looks like *Menai Carlo (who I have seen in person on numerous occasions), but there were other cob animals there over the years. A Megastar son and Lascaux stallion come to mind off the top of my head. The Megastar stallion (now gelding) actually looked an awful lot like that, come to think of it.

[Tamara_in_TN]

[QUOTE=dmalbone;4736890]
“Winkelman Pony-Horse” w.t.f…[/QUOTE]

hey now…that’s trademarked

Tamara in TN

[dmalbone]

[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;4737370]
hey now…that’s trademarked

Tamara in TN[/QUOTE]

Bwaha. I tried to c&p the “tr” symbol but it wouldn’t work.