Can I ride your horse?

I’ve had a couple people from work come out and give carrots, pet my horse, and take photos, but none have ridden as of yet. I would let thm sit on him and walk around with me leading and parents holding on it they wanted.

But for those that ask about riding, I tell them I spend about 6-8 hours on the ground doing work for my horse (cleaning stalls, pastures, bathing, etc) for every hour I get to ride, so my riding time is precious and all my own. I suggest places they can trail ride, take lessons, etc and most have understood and thanked me for the info.

That would be the crux of it, wouldn’t it? Though I would add the caveat that the asking should also be polite.

I mean, it’s fairly bizarre for a random stranger to walk up to me in a parking lot and ask if he can borrow my new truck to go off-roading. But to ignore my ‘no’, pressure me, and try to indimidate me into letting him take it? That’s when I get pissed. I don’t mind hunters who stop and ask. I do mind people who get huffy and DEMAND I grant permission. ('cuse me, Bub, while I note your license plate number just in case I see you again…)

Similarly, I don’t mind introducing people to my horses and giving pony rides or trail rides as appropriate. I do mind flat-out rudeness, such as “Oh, you own that farm? I’ll have to come over some time and go riding.” Um, no. I figure if they don’t respect me enough to ask politely, they’re going to be a ridiculous pain in the butt if I let them on the property.

This is a tactic I learned, believe it or not, from an old BOSS. When I would hear preposterous things from my internal or external clients (unreasonable deadlines, impossible data requests) I was apt to immediately start saying “well, that can’t be done because of A, B and C”. Boss told me that gets you remembered as a nay-sayer, a downer, an Eeyore. His philosophy was to just say SURE! It still scares me but it really does work. You have time later to put in caveats, requirements, etc. that will get across the point that the request was unreasonable or impossible. But what they’ll remember is the person who said SURE!

So I do the same pretty much with requests to come ride or see the horses. Sure! Let’s try to find some time when our schedules click. Sure! Let’s wait for the rainy season to be over*/the mud to dry/the heat to break and then set something up. So far it has worked with no hard feelings AND no one at the barn. I will escalate if necessary.

*In Western WA, this one alone could put people off pretty much indefinitely! :smiley:

I truly don’t mind people asking. My OTTB is a saint and a great breed ambassador, but I keep it controlled - lead line and indoor arena, and I ride first. My Azteca is a weird one, not scary, but no power steering - he’ll just park in the middle or wander around like a drunkard if you don’t know how to use leg, but nothing scary. If I put the red gymnastic ball out, he will follow that, push it with his nose, and keep going and going, so that’s a great, fun way for someone to safely ride him. And helmets are required, of course. The funniest thing, and it happens often enough, is when people explain how they grew up around horses and know all about them, then proceed to tell horrible tales of abuse! Like the old beer bottle on the head, so the horse wouldn’t rear anymore, or punching the horse in the face so it wouldn’t do whatever. Um, times like that, I actually understand why there are so many rich NH trainers! HA! And it blows my mind that the people think their tales of rough and tough handling will make me want them anywhere near my horses!!!

I don’t care if people ask, but I always say no. My arabian is spooky therefore inappropriate for novice adults (interestingly, novice kids he will pack around without a single flinch) and my TB is quite sensitive. I am happy to let people come pet them which most people see as a perfectly acceptable alternative. If they really push the riding, I tell them where they can go for lessons and leave it at that.

[QUOTE=JoZ;6231319]
So I do the same pretty much with requests to come ride or see the horses. Sure! Let’s try to find some time when our schedules click. Sure! Let’s wait for the rainy season to be over*/the mud to dry/the heat to break and then set something up. So far it has worked with no hard feelings AND no one at the barn. I will escalate if necessary.

*In Western WA, this one alone could put people off pretty much indefinitely! :D[/QUOTE]

Pftt. Co-workers are easy. Most of them are office people and like their ‘experiences’ in very controlled and perfected sessions. I do a variation of your excuse: “Oh, you really wouldn’t want to come THIS time of the year – waay too muddy/hot/buggy”. Or, “I’d love to! But this is show season and we’re always so busy getting ready to leave/showing/recovering from the road trip”

Oddly, people only really ask to come ride when the weather is nice outside, so if I can stall them until November, I usually get a 6 month break from requests. :slight_smile:

More insidious are the “Pony Petters”, i.e. people who call up claiming to be interested in learning more about the breed, hinting they might be in the market, but they are not sure. Usually what they really want is a nice afternoon in good weather spent petting/watching horses without the downside of an admission fee etc. After I had a few of these soak up lovely days (during which I really should have been either trail riding or working on something) I developed a spidey sense and a few screening questions. Usually I tell folks they are welcome to come watch us work the horses (i.e. don’t expect to ride, and I’m not spending 4 hours on a barn tour and pulling one horse after another out of the stall so you can look at them/pet them). However after reading some of this thread I’m wondering if even having folks like this one the property might be a liability… we make prospective buyers sign a release before they ride, but I don’t ask the lookie-loos to do anything. Wonder if I should.:sadsmile:

Six pages already & people still can’t wrap their arms around “No”?

WAY too funny.

“Liability,” true or not, usually works the best, IME.

It also works for strangers/random neighbors who want to use you arena or other facilities. We had a neighbor, who’s thankfully moved, who was an inexperienced horse owner who bought a 2-year-old gelding. I barely knew the guy except to know where he lived, and the few times I had brief conversations with him, I got a slightly NQR/spidey-sense vibe from him. He turned up IN our garage one day, when we had the door open (I was getting something out of my truck, turned around, and he was right behind me), and asked if he could come break his 2-year-old to ride in our round pen, since he didn’t have a round pen and was afraid he’d get hurt if he didn’t use a round pen. Ummm, NO – LIABILITY. He said, “But I’m worried about my own liability if I get hurt -without- your round pen.” I said no again, and advised him to go buy some portable panels and make his own (damned) round pen. After that, I really wondered if I needed to put a padlock on my round pen gate, but I kept an eye on it, and thankfully saw no evidence of use other than by me!

As for riding, I have two work friends who came up with the idea that since I have three horses, the three of us should go galloping through the desert. They said they’ve gone galloping many times on trail rides. Uh, yeah… not. I explained that one horse I would let them ride at a walk in the arena, one that is not completely sound that I would NOT let them ride at all, and one that is very good but is my show horse, who they could also NOT ride. So, when they came over to visit, they still thought we were taking all three horses out in the desert to ride. facepalm I put them each up on Whiskey, and they clearly didn’t know how to hold reins… He had just had his hocks done, so I didn’t want there to be any trotting that day. One of them did OK walking, with me walking at Whiskey’s side, just in case (for them, not for him, LOL). The other one took ahold of the reins and leaned WAY back when I unclipped her, Whiskey started jogging back to the barn, she kept leaning and pulling back, he kept jogging, so I grabbed the bridle and made him whoa. YEAH. SO. END of “galloping across the desert.” I like them both a lot, but was very irritated by the whole thing while still trying to be nice/friendly/make it work… “What part of no don’t you understand?” It can be hard sometimes. Sigh. But that was a year ago, and they haven’t asked again!

I don’t think I’m being unkind. Where is it written that to be a generous soul I must just let people ride my horse? There are perhaps one or two people who I might test on him, but they’e never asked. Tell you what; you want to go partial lease on him and kick back a little bit for the full time training he’s in and we’ll talk, maybe. No, not even then. I tried. Sorry.

Paula

Just say: Oh, his BARN name is Dobbin, but they USED TO call him “Widowmaker.”

OR

Sure! I’d love to let you ride. You have the hospital on speed-dial, right?

OR

Yes, PLEASE do ride my horse. Maybe you can get him to stop flipping over all the time.

For the record, I don’t have my own horse so this hasn’t ever been a problem for me. But I have been asked by strangers if they can take a picture of the horse I’m riding - multiple times.

Just ask if they’re insured.

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Six pages already & people still can’t wrap their arms around “No”?

WAY too funny.[/QUOTE]

I can say no. And as an aside I see this as being very different from trespassers in pastures or barns, for whom I don’t think pleasantness and politeness are really appropriate. But these are friends, co-workers, even just acquaintances and I don’t mind fibbing or working a bit harder on a nice letdown. On the other hand I don’t want the takeaway to be that my horses are dangerous, spooky or an insurance claim waiting to happen. So I guess that if my noncommittal delaying tactics ever fail I’ll probably try “no” next!

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Just ask if they’re insured.[/QUOTE]

Amazingly, there are far too many ignorant people who will say “yes” to this question, even though their insurance will NOT cover an injury riding someone’s horse.

Again, the correct answer here is “No”. No funny answers, no long stories as to “why not”, just a simple “NO”.

Why is this so hard?

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Again, the correct answer here is “No”. No funny answers, no long stories as to “why not”, just a simple “NO”.

Why is this so hard?[/QUOTE]

It’s not “hard”. It may just not be prudent in a situation with coworkers, family members, or your boss, all of whom you have to deal closely with in the future, and will be much more pleasant about it than if you just sit there like a robot repeating No. No. No. No. No.

I usually just laugh and change the subject…usually works pretty good.
I understand that non-horse people have no idea what they are asking but I have actually had horse people ask these kind of things. I had a friend ask me if she could use my horse in a really big important show…my horse is a 4 year old still in training:eek: then she asked if my trainer would lease her one of his show horses…for FREE:lol: I am sure you know what his answer was :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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I’ve heard of this happening but never had someone ask that. Until recently. I started working through a temp company and the very first day at a new job mentioned I have horses. Someone asked if they could come ride. I told her I don’t have beginner friendly horses. She told me she can ride, her uncle has a ranch. She used to ride this beautiful brown horse with a black mane and tail. I had to make them both sound a little crazy to get her to back off.

Now a friend has put me in that same position. I posted that I had a great ride today and she responded she should come ride one day. I responded that I wish she could but my horses are not beginner friendly.

“Oh, I know how to ride. I haven’t ridden since 1987 at the beach (rental horse) but I can ride.”

I once again had to make my horses out to be crazy. They aren’t but they aren’t suitable for beginners either.

I know using the word “beginner” is the wrong word. How do you phrase that so the person who rode a pony once when they were 5 and thinks they can ride, can’t ride your horse?

And while I’m on the semi rant, why do people think it’s okay to come ride your horse? They don’t ask if they can come play with your new dog or drive your car.[/QUOTE]

Really not a problem. I just tell people that I don’t allow anyone but me to ride my horses. That is the truth. Of course the 2 horses we have had for my daughter are calm and well behaved and if they want to be led on a pony ride they can come anytime.

[QUOTE=Bacardi1;6231400]
Six pages already & people still can’t wrap their arms around “No”?

WAY too funny.[/QUOTE]

I’m with you, Bacardi. If I’m old enough to own and pay for a horse, I’m old enough to say NO. I won’t hide behind some insurance company. I won’t lie. I don’t need to. I really hate being lied to, so I try not to do it. I lose respect for people who lie about the little stuff. It’s unnecessary.

You can say No firmly and without being mean. As in “Sorry, you can’t come ride him. Horses aren’t like cars where ‘if you can drive one safely, you can find a way to drive just about any of them safely.’ It’s my job to make sure the horse doesn’t get hurt… and that my horse doesn’t hurt you.”

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It’s not “hard”. It may just not be prudent in a situation with coworkers, family members, or your boss, all of whom you have to deal closely with in the future, and will be much more pleasant about it than if you just sit there like a robot repeating No. No. No. No. No.[/QUOTE]

Oh, of course you should be polite about it. I just don’t see the reason for voluminous pages here of cute/funny/snide comments/stories one should make up.

Just politely say “no, my horses aren’t available to other riders”. End of story. Outside of liability issues, which are most likely true, other volumes of “my horse is a killer”, yadayadayada are stupid, childish, & unnecessary.

Just pull up your big girl (or boy) panties & just state the obvious - that it’s YOUR horse for YOUR enjoyment & not a public amusement center. :wink:

I had to deal with my mother when I bought my horse at 19… I think (no, pretty much I know) she lived vicariously through my sister(when she rode) and I. Old Aunt Ester had a farm dontcha know, she and her cousins would ride this black pony Auntie had all over h*lls half acre and back, racing her brothers on their bikes, tying it up by a tree to go swimming in the creek…

Obviously, my mother thought she could be the one to keep my horse in shape when I went away for Army training. My 5 y/o OTTB I bought 6mo prior… The woman who would keep trying numerous times to take lessons when we were tiny kidlets, but stopped because “too tired/knees hurt/out of shape.” The one who won’t go faster than a walk on trail rides or for more than an hour, was going to ride my horse that didn’t quite get the whole “balanced” canter thing down… That one was tough to try to explain to her that it would not be in anyone’s best interest for her to ride my horse. Usually a OMG look and a quick change of the subject worked well. She’s now figured it out that it was a pretty silly idea and freely admits it.

I do let her groom and hold on to him at shows, he’s awesome on the ground. I did get her lessons for one Christmas and encouraged her to continue, but she never quite “got the bug” again.

Haven’t had the issue come up at work or school…yet.

It’s all about how the question is posed, really. If someone I knew at least reasonably well was polite and just asked to have a little sit or a walk around, sure I’ll put my sweet, steady Quarab on a lead and pony you off the pushier OTTB.

Compare and contrast - Ooh I’m a really good rider! Once I was riding this horse and it BUCKED and then it totally RAN OFF with me and it was so WILD. So I can come and ride your horses for you anytime!

Errrr…

As a teen I used to let people ride my horse because I was too shy and worried to say No. Unfortunately he would give a new rider about one minute before he decided whether they were up to his standards, then he would either canter off smartly and decline to stop, cro-hop acrobatically or just buck. Well, at least people stopped asking after a while :smiley: