We don’t want their brand. They can keep it. We want our own brand, namely the O with the crown.
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Just curious Chris - why does the German Oldenburg Verband allow the Danish Oldenburg Registry to exist automonously. GOV does NOT CONTROL this registry at all, they brand with the Danish O Crown and have existed and continue to exist with total control of their own breeding books. NO involvement or control by the GOV!
As far as Im concerned I dont care if one or more group is called Oldenburg BUT the Danes did not take the brand away from the GOV in Germany so possibly that is one of many reasons they can survive close together?
Mista, Im not trying to single you out but are you the same person who wrote both of these? You are contradicting yourself and it makes no sense to me.
I understand all that. But why would ISR/OLD NA be so protective over the brand O with a crown when they’re not using it anyway. Wouldn’t it be a great peace offering of ISR/OLD NA to just give the brand back? GOV is not going to hurt their business. The reason I turn to ISR/Old NA so much is their PR. They’re fun to be around and they’re very educational. They take the time to explain what they like and dislike about each foal, mare and stallion. For young breeders like me, this is very valuable.www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net
You all need to get past the political part of all this. ISR/OLD NA is not going to give their brand back. Nor should they. Gov came and started the GOV. Now we have the Oldenburg Verband. Both American and Gernam sides. The American side was started 25 years ago, as was the german side. They both are legitimate German horse breeds. [URL=“http://www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net”]www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net[/FONT]
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Yes and I’m sorry for the confusion. I meant by the second one that ISR shouldn’t have to give the brand back because we are breeding Oldenburgs here. But I do think since ISR is using the o with the crown and NA, that it would be a nice jesture to give the o with the crown back. It seems to me they’re different brands anyway. I hope that makes more sence.
a link , please?
Will someone please give me a link to the “court papers”?
I agree! Wouldn’t this be an easy way to solve problem? Just give the O with crown back and keep the O, crown and NA part. Wouldn’t everyone be happy then?
I would think so. People will still be attracted to each one for different reasons, and it would stop the hatred and emotion.
“They were bred with approved Oldenberg stallions out of approved Oldenberg mares, by the European Oldenburg standards. The ISR/OLD NA is breeding Oldenburgs!!”
Uhmm. No they aren’t being bred by the European Oldenburg standards - it says it right on the ISR website - they are using the Oldenburg name, with the Oldenburg brand BUT THEY ADMIT TO USING DIFFERENT STANDARDS, so please tell me how is that “Oldenburg”?
It pains me to sometimes agree with tri.
When ISR is registering a foal as “Oldenburg” when both parents are TB - well, I feel sorry for the person who thinks they are purchasing a fancy “warmblood” when it is in fact a TB bred by AI and thus not eligible for JC papers, so we’ll register and brand it as Oldenburg.
And just how many full TBs have been registered as Oldenburg??? Name one or two.
Well, the first one I noticed was sired by Jasprin, so that goes back more than a few years. Would have to do some research to come up with the name of the “foal”, but it is out there, Bernie.
Now there are the Coconut Grove and A Fine Romance offspring out of TB mares. Again, don’t know the foal names off the top of my head.
I’m quite sure you can check this out on your own through ISR as you are involved with them.
People breeding TB x TB via AI have limited choices in registration - PHR or ISR are the obvious options. Think the BWP did a couple of these this year also, but may be tightening up their rules hereafter.
Are you under the impression that no other registry approves TBs? The AHS approves both mares and stallions into their registry, as does the Verband. I could take a studbook approved TB mare, breed her to Laurie’s Crusader xx, and voila! a registered and branded Hanoverian who is all TB.
Umm, Clint, run that by AHS and get back to me. Pretty sure you need one parent as Hanoverian to obtain AHS papers.
Oops, you are right; forgot about the 50% rule. That’s what I get for running by the computer on my way out to feed.
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“They were bred with approved Oldenberg stallions out of approved Oldenberg mares, by the European Oldenburg standards. The ISR/OLD NA is breeding Oldenburgs!!”
Uhmm. No they aren’t being bred by the European Oldenburg standards - it says it right on the ISR website - they are using the Oldenburg name, with the Oldenburg brand BUT THEY ADMIT TO USING DIFFERENT STANDARDS, so please tell me how is that “Oldenburg”?[/QUOTE]
Kathy! We agree on something! :lol:
bernie,
I had a full TB by Jasprin out of a TB mare way back in 1994, I think. - she was branded full Old - and that was when the 2 registries were still together, and she was approved by Ramsauer. So that wasn’t just ISR that approved that cross…
Good grief elizabeth, I had no idea there were approved TB stallions in the registry in 1994, I thought this was something relatively new with Coconut Grove and A Fine Romance. But I guess Ramsauer did a lot of “different” things when he was the breeding director!!!:lol:
As a member and supporter of OldNA/ISR, I will say that I also disagree with the registering of TBs as Oldenburgs. I think it would be wise of them to enact a rule that no 100% TB foal will be registered and branded. However, since there are very few foals each year that are full TB and regsitered/branded, that in and of itself is not enough to make me not use the registry. Their customer service is fantastic and the inspectors and very knowledgable and share that knowledge at the inspections.
But, not buyer would be duped about what they are actually buying if they ask to see the papers/bloodlines before purchasing a horse. When every single horse in the pedigree has “xx” after its name, you know you are getting 100% TB.
Interesting discussion…and at least its to a point where it is a discussion as opposed to years past. And very interesting to see people from both camps agreeing with each other. That is progress and there is hope.
I just wanted to comment on this last post though.
I’m not sure how many non-breeders would pick up on that. Some will and some wouldn’t. I’ve heard some pretty bad horror stories of buyers being duped, not specifically on this issue. But your average buyer does not understand all the ins and outs of wb breeding and registries.
Well I just checked the stallion directories for the years 2005, 2006 and 2007 for the foals born in 2004, 2005 and 2006 and there were no full TB foals by either A Fine Romance or Coconut Grove. Just the facts!!
