Can someone tell me about the Oldenburg NA?

[RTBSH]

my older mare scored 103 points but is only 75% approved blood lines (TB). Her daughter, by Pablo, was the site champion filly this year and was branded ISR. She will be eligible for the Main Mare book because she now has over 75% approved blood lines. Her foals (Paloma’s) will be eligible for the OLD brand if she makes the Main Mare Book.

BTW… the breeding director was the inspector and he commented on the really high quality of horses here. Some are better than those in Germany, which makes sense because of the high quality of horses we (Americans) have imported. There are many stallions here that exceeded 120 points on their 100 DT and many state premium and premium mares.

I will say that I have been to other registries inspections and one of them, who issues german papers, approved a stallion that was not that nice and some iffy mares. This registry seems like they will also accept questionable horses, but I don’t hear people bitching about them. Is this because they receive “German Papers”? Does that make their horses better? Personally, I do not think so.

[graystonefarm]

@flshgordon;2760562

Yes the QH, draft and Sandro hit’s will all get judged side by side but the QH and draft go in knowing they are only eligible for the lower books whereas the sandro hit would likely be eligible for the higher ones with the right score.

Unless, of course, the SH is out of a QH or draft mare.

[Edgar]

Oldenburg ISR does not need the crown with the O.

I guess you did not know that the only registry choice for Oldenburg breeders in the US was the ISR/Oldenburg NA before 2000 or so. A lot of those horses are eligible for both GOV and OLNA and many have gone from one to another or belong to both so there is no doubt they are “real Oldenburgs” Besides that group there is an even larger group who thinks they have now an Oldenburg- They bred to an Oldenburg stallion , got the mare approved, foal registered…

Many of these Oldenburg horse owners that had no choice in registry when they started breeding?? It is OK with you to call that now an American warmblood or an ISR horse. Lets see how they like that idea.

Tri don’t you think Hanoverian breeders breed Hanoverians to Hanoverians and then produce a Hanoverian? Well surprise, that is actually what is mostly registered with the AHS. The pre-studbook, which will probably no longer exist after next year, is specificly for TB’s and TB crosses and only a portion of the total registrations. The accept only about 30 TB mares a year.
Do you call the Mercedes M class a Chrysler because its made in the US?

For you who profess this theory, I am pretty sure you can fit your horse in the ISR registry anytime, no need to call them Oldenburgs or whatever breed you think you breed. Some others(but not US bred Trakehners because they are not the purest of this pure breed;) may fit in the AHS registry; an independent non profit American organization with all elected officials and a hired office staf at your service.

I think only a few of the same people are pasionate about this Oldenburg stuff, The truth has been twisted a lot about it, as I read in some posts amnesia has set in also in some, most others fall asleep…

[Cartier]

Sometimes if we put things in a emotion- neutral context we can see the underlying points better. I’ll put this in the context of breeding / competing top Dobermans.

We have line-bred offspring of the Top Winning Doberman of All Time, Ch. Brunswig’s Cryptonite. We spend tens of thousands of dollars on the dogs each year and have a substantial investment in them which is grounded in their place in the AKC Registry / Studbook and in the AKC accolades the bloodline has earned. Our dogs (our bloodline) have a substantial market value based upon stud book placements and recognitions earned from AKC approved judges. We (and many others who came before and after us in our pedigree) have a HUGE dollar investment in the evaluations we’ve all paid for over the years from the AKC.

Now, let’s say that at some point in time the two guys in current leadership positions at AKC have a fight, e.g., that Ron Menaker wants to go own way and Dennis Sprung wants to go another, and in the process one or both decides to undermine the value of part of the studbook, which might include our Dobermans. Believe me, we would object, STRENOULSY !!! As would thousands of other breeders who relied upon what was done in the AKC’s name. No one would give a flying fig about the personal drama between the two leaders. NO one would give a flying fig about the self-serving gossip surrounding the leadership of the day. Rather, AKC breeders would care about how that drama impacted the market value of what they own. We breeders would expect / demand that the registry leadership resolve disputes in a manner that did not negatively impact the value of our personal property… i.e. our breeding stock.

[carosello]

TGIF :yes:

Gosh its CoTH just like the good ol’ days. :eek:
Why dont we let this one just die guys. No need to rehash and rehash. New breeders can read between the lines and contact people privately if they need more information.

The best thing is there is a registry to fit everyone’s needs!

[DownYonder]

One thing is for sure - Oldenburg must have done SOMETHING right or so many people wouldn’t be wanting to claim they are breeding Oldenburgs. :lol:

[Edgar]

Oldenburg must have done SOMETHING right…

Well, they are the largest collective group of “warmblood” breeders in North America. Part of that is because they accept any other German breed mare and TB’s as their own upon inspection aproval which covers a very large group of horses. That in turn makes it an obvious place for stallionowners to have their stallions approved and to send clients as the mare will be inspected and most likely the foal registered.

[diamondgirl]

Well then, Cartier, perhaps you should stick to breeding and showing Doberman’s. {wink}

[Tiki]

If I ran out and started a Dutch registry, somehow legally grabbed hold of the KWPN brand and started inspecting horses/branding them KWPN, would YOU think those horses were Dutch Warmblood horses???
But Tri, the Dutch did just that with the KWPN-NA!!! What’s your point??? Nothing? as usual.

[holsteinersrock]

Put a fancy label on it at sell it to the Americans… good god, where are those tomatos and eggs coming from that just hit my head?!?

We have one stallion in ISR/Oldenburg and have immesely enjoyed the experience, plus our breeders and fellow mare owners are happy with them.

Presenting another one to GOV soon, why? Because they asked. We’ll see how it goes.

Anna
www.westwiththewind.com

[misita]

[quote] Presenting another one to GOV soon, why? Because they asked. We’ll see how it goes. ]

What are the fees to present a stallion to GOV? And what is the yearly stallion dues? Are you going to the Hassler stallion inspection? Does anybody know how many stallions will be seen at that inspection?

Thanks
www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[tri]

“But Tri, the Dutch did just that with the KWPN-NA!!! What’s your point???”

Uhhh, Tiki, tiki, tiki, lost as usual, the KWPN-na exists at the dictation and direction of the KWPN who, I might add, could sever their relationship at anytime they choose and we could have another brand crisis on our hands.

Here is a cut & paste from the KWPN-na website:

“In 1983, the Dutch Warmblood Studbook in North America was established as the North American Department of the Royal Warmblood Studbook of the Netherlands (KWPN)”

If the KWPN did pull their support from the KWPN-na and the KWPN-na obtained through the American legal system the right to continue using the KWPN brand with the KWPN adamantly OPPOSED TO THEM DOING SO and the KWPN-na admitted that they were NOT going to use the same standards as they do in Holland, and the inspectors used were NOT the inspectors used in Holland, would KWPN-na breeders, from that point forward STILL be breeding “real” Dutch warmblood horses?

[tri]

Edgar, the BWP does the same thing and they aren’t anywhere near as large.

[holsteinersrock]

[QUOTE=misita;2762508]

Presenting another one to GOV soon, why? Because they asked. We’ll see how it goes. ]

What are the fees to present a stallion to GOV? And what is the yearly stallion dues? Are you going to the Hassler stallion inspection? Does anybody know how many stallions will be seen at that inspection?

Thanks
www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[holsteinersrock]

[QUOTE=misita;2762508]

What are the fees to present a stallion to GOV? And what is the yearly stallion dues? Are you going to the Hassler stallion inspection? Does anybody know how many stallions will be seen at that inspection?

Thanks
www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

Yes we are taking Cicera’s Icewater to the Hassler Dressage inspection in MD, there ought to be at least five or so stallions presented from what I hear.

Frankly I have no head for numbers, surely the fees are available from the office, http://www.oldenburghorse.com/Oldbrg-Introduction.htm

Anna

[misita]

Yes. The fees are available from the office but they are closed for the weekend and their site does not tell the stallion inspection fees or their yearly fees. Does anyone know? I also have not been able to find it in their breeding book.

Good luck to you and Cicera’s Icewater at the Hassler inspections. I hope you do well. Your stallions are lovely and your artwork breathtaking!

Thank you,
www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[eurofoal]

[QUOTE=misita;2762926]
Yes. The fees are available from the office but they are closed for the weekend and their site does not tell the stallion inspection fees or their yearly fees. Does anyone know? I also have not been able to find it in their breeding book.

QUOTE]

I’d like to know the fees just for registering a foal.

[clint]

I think we could have a fun lottery, and make some lucky person rich, selling possible dates for an answer to that question. It took me oh, about two months, to find out eligibility for a mare, and I’m still lacking part of the information. I think I asked in March? (2007)

[misita]

JIll, I’m so happy your family and home is intact after the fire. And obviously full of spit and vinegar. What wonderful news!!!:):D:lol:.

And Clint. So nice to hear from you too.

GOV has changed their colors!!! I’m positive! Let’s give them a chance. They may surprize you all. I’ve been talking with Holly for awhile now and she always contacts me right away. The only reason I’m asking this questin about stallion fees here is I have a time sensitive question which I need answered and they’re closed for the weekend.

So if any one knows. WHAT is the stallion Inspection fee??? AND…what is the stallion yearly fee??? I would really like to know??

www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net

[DownYonder]

Here is the information I have:

MARES
$150.00 - Initial inspection, enrollment in studbooks, DNA testing
$15.00 - Pedigree research for Jockey Club mares (if less than 5-generation pedigree presented at inspection)

FOALS
$250.00 - Inspection, registration, microchip, DNA testing (includes annual mare fee)
$300.00 - Yearling inspection, registration, microchip, DNA testing
$300.00 - Birth Certificate (for foals not eligible for regular registration papers)
$100.00 - Breeding allowance (for sires not on Oldenburg active stallion roster for year of breeding)

STALLIONS
$250.00 - Inspection fee
$200.00 - Stallion registration & DNA testing (young stallions)
$300.00 - Stallion registration & DNA testing (older stallions)
$300.00 - Annual stallion activation fee (if activated before May 1)
$400.00 - Annual stallion activation fee (if activated after May 1)

SERVICES
$30.00 - Incomplete paperwork fee
$40.00 - Transfer of ownership
$100.00 - Re-issue of lost registration papers May 1)