All the drugs are listed here. http://equinecanada.ca/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=5588&Itemid=88&lang=en
So uh, two pages later – what does having a horse’s “feet frozen” mean?
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All the drugs are listed here. http://equinecanada.ca/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=5588&Itemid=88&lang=en[/QUOTE]
But that one doesn’t appear to differentiate between allowed medications and forbidden medications, just gives complete withdrawal times, as far as I see anyway.
Are top quality American hunters even ‘American’? Most come from Europe don’t they?
Yeah, well, I guess if I used the stuff or knew anyone who did, I might be able to give a definitive answer. I don’t use it and I don’t know anyone who does. Mine might get a gram of bute at the end of the day and not show again for 14-16 hours so I can only link the info, I can’t answer the question.
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But that one doesn’t appear to differentiate between allowed medications and forbidden medications, just gives complete withdrawal times, as far as I see anyway.[/QUOTE]
I’m assuming it means “nerved” but I really haven’t a clue.
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So uh, two pages later – what does having a horse’s “feet frozen” mean?[/QUOTE]
So uh, two pages later – what does having a horse’s “feet frozen” mean?
I’m guessing it means blocking the feet to show.
The writer loses any credibility with me by her blanket statements. I don’t know who she is (don’t really care), but is now a “nobody” in my book. Right up there with other blanket statements “all Arabs are crazy”, only WBs do dressage well etc. This spotlights how a few bad spokes spoil the bunch.
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Yeah, well, I guess if I used the stuff or knew anyone who did, I might be able to give a definitive answer. I don’t use it and I don’t know anyone who does. Mine might get a gram of bute at the end of the day and not show again for 14-16 hours so I can only link the info, I can’t answer the question.[/QUOTE]
Well, I’m usually pretty good at digging up info on my own, and I can’t answer the question either. But as someone who shows in Canada on one gram of Bute, aren’t you now curious as to what you’re showing against? I know, it’s extremely unlikely the answer is actually unlimited quantities of Ketofen, but why isn’t the info as easy to find as it is for the other allowed NSAIDs?
Not really. Won’t change how I do anything.
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Well, I’m usually pretty good at digging up info on my own, and I can’t answer the question either. But as someone who shows in Canada on one gram of Bute, aren’t you now curious as to what you’re showing against? I know, it’s extremely unlikely the answer is actually unlimited quantities of Ketofen, but why isn’t the info as easy to find as it is for the other allowed NSAIDs?[/QUOTE]
Why would anyone care what someone else drugs their horse with?? It is a horse show - not a chemistry exam… What an odd question.
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Why would anyone care what someone else drugs their horse with?? It is a horse show - not a chemistry exam… What an odd question.[/QUOTE]
I hope this is facetious, but I can’t tell.
If not, this thread has conquered yet another topic responsible for 90% of threads on the board.
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Why would anyone care what someone else drugs their horse with?? It is a horse show - not a chemistry exam… What an odd question.[/QUOTE]
Well aside from the horses welfare, it is cheating, plain and simple.
I’m assuming it means “nerved” but I really haven’t a clue.
This is what I have associated the “frozen feet” term to. Nerve block. Somehow it seems idiotic to jump a blocked horse. 'Course, to me it seems idiotic to jump/show a drugged horse period, from a safety perspective.
I doubt that many Canadian riders could tell you about the NSAID levels…and from MOST of the coaches I know, they wouldn’t be able to tell you either. Because the prevalent attitude (in my limited little corner of Canada) is that you don’t show a drugged horse. Rated divisions anyway, so who cares? The only time I’d dig into “levels” was if I had a horse with a legitimate medical condition requiring a specific drug, and I truly felt didn’t impair his ability, or put him at risk.
That said, there are two coaches I can name who regularly drug horses for the Canadian ring…but they don’t care about the rule levels either. They look out for EC drug testers before they make the final decisions on whether to show a particular horse or not. Watched that happen in the hitching ring. They actually sent a parent to make sure the EC testers’ truck was gone before they injected the horse. It was “fresh.” Saddest part was that it would have easily won the class anyway. :no:
The Dressage barns that I have been around seem to have a lot more “knowledge on the ground” about levels…I don’t think it’s because they drug their horses to show, it just seems like more Dressage riders are interested in the details of the rule books. The H/J riders seem to largely listen to their trainers.
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I hope this is facetious, but I can’t tell.
If not, this thread has conquered yet another topic responsible for 90% of threads on the board.[/QUOTE]
Just think of the countless hours spent banging away on these boards complaining about what other people are doing that could have been spent in a barn caring for horses, volunteering at a rescue, attending a USHJA or USEF meeting, etc. This thread may well signal the demise of the COTH forums as we know them.
Seriously - what is the point of knowing or caring?? If someone else is using Drug x does that mean that everyone else should use Drug x ?? Please tell me the participants of this industry are not that thick.
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Seriously - what is the point of knowing or caring?? If someone else is using Drug x does that mean that everyone else should use Drug x ?? Please tell me the participants of this industry are not that thick.[/QUOTE]
When someone is making statements that make it sound like Canadian horses are never drugged, knowing legal limits is a legitimate question. The article makes it sound like Canada is right up their with FEI’s zero tolerance…but that isn’t actually the case. I don’t see why there would be a problem clarifying that.
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Seriously - what is the point of knowing or caring?? If someone else is using Drug x does that mean that everyone else should use Drug x ?? Please tell me the participants of this industry are not that thick.[/QUOTE]
I think mostly care about 1) getting beat by person who used Drug X, who won because the horse was drugged 2) the welfare of the horse (which I would say is the biggest issue for most people) 3) the feeling that people treat their horse like an expendable item and have no problem putting any type of chemical in them as long as it will help them do well at a horse show (even if the drug is virtually useless), in other words putting their own selfish desires over what is best for the animal
Points made and I do see said opinions. I guess I just don’t care enough to worry about it any more. I swear some trainers mix up whatever is found under the bathroom sink and inject it into what ever is handy. I fee sorry for them and their horses. Until Ec Canada and USEF get on with the job of cleaning it up it is not my problem.
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I’m guessing it means blocking the feet to show.[/QUOTE]
I assume so too. A practice I didn’t even know existed until the Heritage lawsuit!
