Cane Corso moved in 3 doors down (Townhouses) am I being unreasonably concerned?

[Dreamwalker]

[QUOTE=vacation1;7684061]
You have a man with a giant and notoriously aggressive breed who is pursuing a fantasy of training that involves assessing his 5-month-old dog (of a giant breed, one which matures slowly) as being at an “intermediate” level of training. At this rate, the thing will be a PhD by the time it’s 2. Which will be awkward, given the owner’s a moron. Definitely a cause for big concern. If there’s a leash law, definitely bust him every single time you see it off-leash. Document - photo, video - for the HOA or police. There is no separate law for Very Special Men who own Very Special Giant Dogs. A leash won’t make it much safer - I’ve seen dogs a lot smaller than a CC pull a leash free of a dimwit owner - but it’ll be something, and it will get the animal on the official radar. That’ll help legally when it eats someone in a year or two.

The breed is a literally a huge issue. This is a giant and unfriendly breed with an asshole owner, and I cannot believe some people are so terrified of being breedist that they are giving out shitty advice as if the OP is just silly and mastiffs give kisses. Oh, wait, I do believe it. Because the giant breed in question is a pit bull cousin (yeah, mastiff blood - mixed with huge amounts of bulldog and developed to excel at a blood sport, that’s a pibble!) If this was an Irish Wolfhound, I’m pretty sure the shame/guilt police wouldn’t have shown up with sirens screaming “A Chihuahua once bit me and it was MEAN!” The CC, like the Fila or the Presa, are giant mastiff/bulldog mixes which should probably either by owned by .01% of the population or allowed to go extinct because the size and the temperament make them dangerous. More dangerous, if I dare say it, than a Cocker with a shitty personality or a Lab who remembers that single time one of his breed killed a kid and wants to relive the glory days.

And kudos to the comments about “oh, pits hunt pigs all the time.” I’m pretty sure the person who brought up hunting meant a person shooting ducks, not a person participating in the blood sport that is pig hunting. To a normal person “hunting dog” means a dog that chases, flushes or retrieves game, not one that mauls it to death.[/QUOTE]

Ah see…For what it’s worth: I am perfectly normal:) what you see as a normal person ‘hunting dog’ does not mean that at all where I live. Normal is pig dogs. If you hunt something else like ducks well that’s not considered really hunting y’anno and you don’t use a hunting dog you use a poncy ‘bird dog’. I was merely responding to the post that said they had never heard of them being used for hunting with what is normal in my area…and the dog would be shot if it mauled a pig to death sheesh.
Despite them being common in my area, I agree with the rest of your post. They are not a dog suitable to belong to a nitwit owner and like you I would like to see the breeds and the crosses die out.

[NeedsAdvil]

I live in a neighborhood where dogs basically roam free (we are on a very small peninsula, and dogs are everywhere). I have a fenced in yard, except for the front part, which has an invisible fence. My dogs regularly play with the golden retriever across the street. Recently, I let my dogs out late at night without their collars on and their owner had the GR outside on a leash (not normal behavior). My small dog tried to play with the GR as usual, but my bigger dog was upset by this and the two larger dogs got into a scuffle. My big dog lived in a boarding kennel for a year while in foster care and has never shown aggression toward another dog, but the combo of the other dog being on a leash and a member of his pack being “threatened” was enough to make him react more strongly than usual.

That being said, I understand the benefits of leashes, but also the downfalls. I don’t live in an apartment complex, so I have the luxury of allowing my dogs to roam the yard. I don’t think a public place is the appropriate place to teach your dog intermediate training, either.

It’s not about the breed, it’s about the environment, the personality of the dog, and the knowledge of the owner. I do wonder how you know that the owner is training his dog based on what he’s learning from books. Seems a little presumptuous.

[Sswor]

[QUOTE=asb2517;7684423]
So just to be clear…you believe that ANY dog that is big enough to potentially maul an adult needs to be regulated? Because I’m going to venture to guess that pretty much any large dog could potentially do that…or are you just breed biased?

I’m also going to have to say that a lot of breeds dogs serve no modern purpose, other than as companions, so why don’t we just let them go extinct? How many dog breeds are actually used for the purposes they were originally bred to do?

It is frustrating to me that there is so much breed bias. It’s not much different to me than being prejudiced against certain people simply because there are a lot of people like them that are bad actors.[/QUOTE]

No, I’m sorry, I’m referring to the breeds in question in this thread–the mastiff/pit type that was bred to hunt and kill people. And that is true, at least based on the information I have read when I looked into it. I think there’s wisdom in BSL for certain dog breeds such as these giant hunting mastiff/pit bull type breeds. Maybe there’s a place for them in pig country–I know there’s a huge feral pig problem and dogs do work best to hunt them, and these types of dogs are arguably best for the job–but there’s really no place at all for them in a neighborhood, any incorporated area, and especially not in a townhouse complex.

I think if there were as many incidents of people being killed by a species of wild animal that animal would have been eradicated from areas people inhabit. Actually, that is pretty much what people did when they started living in cities–run off the wildlife so people could live with some sense of safety inside the city or village. So I don’t think it’s terribly irrational to believe it to be unacceptable that one might get mauled to death by a viscous animal just going for a jog in your own neighborhood. That’s not ok with me, how it is that an acceptable risk to anyone? Because some macho guy calls it a companion?

The modern purpose for most dog breeds are companions, agreed. The breed type in this thread is really not suitable as a companion animal. And just because special macho guy thinks he has a right to keep it as a companion, why does that trump the right to a safe neighborhood for his neighbors? It shouldn’t. But it does because people are always insisting “it’s not the breed”. Ok, it’s not the breed, it’s the breed type.

[achcosuva]

[QUOTE=gottagrey;7684498]
The reasons why some people want to own Pits, Rots, Dobermans, CC is what perpetuates breed bias. They are popular among that mindset that wants these breeds because of their bad-ass reputation - and they want their dogs to be bad-ass - like it’s some extension of themselves .[/QUOTE]

Yes, definitely agree. In the same vein, though, if a good egg (I believe ‘good egg’ is the exact opposite of ‘bad-ass’, correct me if I am wrong) comes to own one of these dogs, not in an attempt to prove any sort of bad assery, usually the dog turns out fine.

Therefore, can we agree that the formula is:
One bad-ass-wannabe human + one dog breed of aggressive reputation + idiotic approach to dog training = one aggressive dog

And the inverse:

One good-egg-owner trying to do right by a dog other good eggs didn’t want (because they all own golden retrievers and Labradors) + one dog of aggressive reputation + a clue about proper dog training = one good dog

Forgive any misuse if mathematical or scientifical terms such as ‘inverse.’ I was an English major.

[Sswor]

I think some like to think that but no it’s not that simple in reality. Genetics count a tremendous amount in animal behavior.

[OneGrayPony]

I own dobermans. I do not own them because they are “bada$$”. I own them because they are THE most intelligent and loyal dogs that were not bred as attack dogs but rather as handler protection dogs (totally different mentality in the dog). My large male is terrified of thunderstorms, loves people and small children especially and is just a lovable doof. My female is a little sharper, but her favorite thing to do is to flip over in your lap for belly rubs.

Breed specific bias and legislation hurts dogs and dog owners. I have gotten guff from my neighbors including completely untrue stories (one lady claimed to have had one that turned on her as a child, but when questioned further had never owned a dobe) to people willingly petting the male (he is a fawn and looks like a weimaraner as they both have natural ears) until they know what he is and then freaking out and backing away when they find out his breed.

I don’t know much about Cane Corsos nor Presa Canerias, but I thought they were actually cattle dog purpose-bred. I could be 100% off on that.

Now, this guy has his dog off leash which is not good for any breed. That would be my problem, IMO. Unleashed dogs can provoke aggression from the leashed ones which can cause a fight.

[pezk]

I also own dobermans. It’s too bad the OP shows her ignorance when it comes to breeds. The dobe is a personal protection dog, as in up close and personal. They don’t do well in police work because it’s hard to get them to leave their handlers. Whereas the GSD can be sent after a criminal and the dog won’t look back.
The dobe is a highly intelligent and loyal dog. They can be dog aggressive and protective. The solution is called TRAINING. I don’t care if it’s a spaniel or a cane. TRAINING is the solution. Good TRAINING.
I’ve also known many horse people who own rots. I guess horse owners must fit the OP def of incompetent dog owners who shouldn’t be allowed to own dogs because they choose to own rotties.
I can’t stand ignorant posters. I always wonder how badly they stereotype other humans.

[AllWeatherGal]

OP … are you pursuing the no-leash issue with the HOA?

I’ve read every post in this thread and no matter what the breed of dog, every poster agrees that an asshat owner is cause for concern.

As a resident of populated areas, I can assure you there are always people who don’t think the rules apply to them. As a former HOA president, I can assure you that many of them will press the issue with any authority and quick, firm response is the best course of action.

You got your vent on and lots of support for your position, please insist that the HOA take action. In fact, to ensure that everyone got the message, take your issue to the next HOA board meeting. If there is a management company, their rep will be in attendance. The management company has more influence than the HOA president, especially if there are legal issues (your local dog ordinance), and you can get this owner taken care of effectively.

[lilitiger2]

[QUOTE=pezk;7685114]
I can’t stand ignorant posters. I always wonder how badly they stereotype other humans.[/QUOTE]

Gosh I was really enjoying this motorcade, but it looks like the archduke has been shot (again). I sure am going to recommend this motorcade to my family though!

[pezk]

[QUOTE=lilitiger2;7685122]
Gosh I was really enjoying this motorcade, but it looks like the archduke has been shot (again). I sure am going to recommend this motorcade to my family though! :)[/QUOTE]

The goal was not to start a WW but point out that maybe posters should know something about different breeds before they condemn them. That knowledge seems to be lacking.

[Megaladon]

I’ve owned Dobies, Pits and Mastiffs. It doesn’t bother me one bit about breed bias/prejudice. I think equating breed bias with potential racism is a bit over the top.

[independentlyawesome]

[QUOTE=RacetrackReject;7683281]
If the police did bust up a lab dog fighting ring, you wouldn’t hear about it, or the dogs would become pits all of a sudden…lol.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

No. But I’d really like to see you find several dozen Labs who would fight each other. You’re more likely to end up with a cuddlepuddle.

It’s called breeding for specific traits. And that’s why the OP is justified to be a little wary of a breed known to have aggressive tendencies who is not being appropriately trained.

[independentlyawesome]

[QUOTE=achcosuva;7685033]
Yes, definitely agree. In the same vein, though, if a good egg (I believe ‘good egg’ is the exact opposite of ‘bad-ass’, correct me if I am wrong) comes to own one of these dogs, not in an attempt to prove any sort of bad assery, usually the dog turns out fine.

Therefore, can we agree that the formula is:
One bad-ass-wannabe human + one dog breed of aggressive reputation + idiotic approach to dog training = one aggressive dog

And the inverse:

One good-egg-owner trying to do right by a dog other good eggs didn’t want (because they all own golden retrievers and Labradors) + one dog of aggressive reputation + a clue about proper dog training = one good dog

Forgive any misuse if mathematical or scientifical terms such as ‘inverse.’ I was an English major.[/QUOTE]

… clearly. Because if you’d taken a single class in Genetics you’d understand that’s not how breeding works.

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=NeedsAdvil;7685001]
/ I do wonder how you know that the owner is training his dog based on what he’s learning from books. Seems a little presumptuous.[/QUOTE]

The reason I know he’s reading books is because he told me he is and has not enrolled the dog in any training classes.

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=pezk;7685114]
I also own dobermans. It’s too bad the OP shows her ignorance when it comes to breeds. The dobe is a personal protection dog, as in up close and personal. They don’t do well in police work because it’s hard to get them to leave their handlers. Whereas the GSD can be sent after a criminal and the dog won’t look back.
The dobe is a highly intelligent and loyal dog. They can be dog aggressive and protective. The solution is called TRAINING. I don’t care if it’s a spaniel or a cane. TRAINING is the solution. Good TRAINING.
I’ve also known many horse people who own rots. I guess horse owners must fit the OP def of incompetent dog owners who shouldn’t be allowed to own dogs because they choose to own rotties.
I can’t stand ignorant posters. I always wonder how badly they stereotype other humans.[/QUOTE]

I can’t stand ignorant posters either. I resent your personal attack because apparently I included your beloved Dobes when I commented about breed bias. Apparently you misunderstood my post. I said that breed bias is fueled by some people (read: not all) who want certain breeds for their bad-ass reputation and characteristics - because they think of themselves (owners) as bad-asses and want some bad-ass dog as an extension of themselves.

This post sums it up -

from achcosuva: the formula is:
One bad-ass-wannabe human + one dog breed of aggressive reputation + idiotic approach to dog training = one aggressive dog

And this statement of yours

I guess horse owners must fit the OP def of incompetent dog owners who shouldn’t be allowed to own dogs because they choose to own rotties.

Where on earth do you come up with that? Good flipping grief. From when I said I prefer long haired dogs to short hair? or from when I used the word “mindset” in reference to those thug wannabe dog owners?

And yes AllWeatherGal I have contacted my HOA but haven’t heard back from them. I’m not sure what sort of enforcement they can do because the dog is not running loose around the neighborhood. It’s when he is out w/ the dog and it’s not on a leash so runs over to my dog.

[Underthebridge]

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/07/25/jogger-mauled-death-two-dogs-cane-corsos-michigan?hpt=hp_t2
I read the other article also, this type of thing happens way to often, how awful.

[OneGrayPony]

I resent your personal attack because apparently I included your beloved Dobes when I commented about breed bias.

Just to clear this up, the reason I responded re: Dobermans is that so many people completely misunderstand them. They are not aggressive dogs, but I would call them assertive. They were bred so that friendly strangers could be ignored or enjoyed, but an aggressor would be defended against. They were not bred to fight other dogs. It is a common misconception because they are used in movies as guard dogs, which is a duty they really wouldn’t perform particularly well.

Sorry for the hijack, just needed to clarify the intent and purpose of the doberman.

[Sswor]

I don’t believe Dobermans make the top 10 on the bite list so they really aren’t even relevant to the conversation. I wish these conversations could stay on point because bringing up a breed like a Doberman or GSD is distracting. I’m not sure I have ever heard of a Doberman or a GSD killing an adult human. Sure these breeds can occasionally be aggressive, any dog can be aggressive, but not in the same realm as these mastiff/pit type dogs and they cannot inflict any where near the same type and level of injury per bite.

Mastiff/pit type dogs were specifically bred to be able to inflict serious damage and injury per bite. That’s the problem. So unless their breeders want to systematically breed out the powerful jaws and put more of a greyhound head/neck on these animals, I would argue that they serve no purpose in modern society within any incorporated residential area under any circumstances.

[JanM]

Just yesterday I found out one or two of my neighbors are fools, and don’t care about their animals. I was out in the driveway, and had a visit from a cute, mostly grown Husky. He didn’t want to go away, but finally did. Then an elderly Beagle wandered by, but left quickly. Around here (a subdivision, by a very busy road, that used to be a farm) animals that roam end up road pizzas, and two in one morning really surprised me. I don’t expect to see either one again, because the life expectancy of wandering animals here is very short, thanks to the delivery trucks, and dump trucks, that travel way over the speed limit. Clueless dog owners are everywhere.

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=OneGrayPony;7685345]
Just to clear this up, the reason I responded re: Dobermans is that so many people completely misunderstand them. They are not aggressive dogs, but I would call them assertive. They were bred so that friendly strangers could be ignored or enjoyed, but an aggressor would be defended against. They were not bred to fight other dogs. It is a common misconception because they are used in movies as guard dogs, which is a duty they really wouldn’t perform particularly well.

Sorry for the hijack, just needed to clarify the intent and purpose of the doberman.[/QUOTE]

It wasn’t your post. No worries.