Cane Corso moved in 3 doors down (Townhouses) am I being unreasonably concerned?

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=TrotTrotPumpkn;7693430]
The whole problem with this thread is that the owner isn’t using a leash. That’s the reason for most dog attacks too–no leash. If you could get a handle on loose dogs and also stop people from tethering dogs in their front yard, then I think the only bites you would basically have left are in-your-own-household. It’s actually a simple solution that will probably never get implemented.[/QUOTE]

IME Tethering dogs in front or backyards (only - not ever going to for walks/out socializing) seems to lead dogs to more aggressive type behavior. There is one house where the owners had 2 dogs - one some big crazy thing they always chained in the back and a cute wired hair terrier tied in the front…well the cute terrier must’ve had a bark my dog didn’t like at all because when he would bark, my dog would literally sink down like a crouch and scurry along past the house (the sidewalk is opposite on the street across this house) and one time he barked and she turned right around to go home. During these morning walks the big crazy dog was not outside so just the little terrier - I would’ve loved to know what he was saying to my dog…

[OneGrayPony]

The Doberman breed is almost completely ruined. I say that after owning American and Euro, working and show, and watching many more of both attempt to do ring. I was on a general doberman-fancier FB group and basically 99.9% of the population should be happy, because they just want a cool looking dog that acts like a golden. I had to get off, I couldn’t stand another post with baby’s hugging miserable dogs. Or glorifying albinos, etc.

A good handler can prep weak dogs for most things. I’m not sure how I view temperament tests after observing some dogs who have passed. And they keep making everything easier (IPO jumps, stick whatever). Obviously passing is better than failing, and I don’t mean that as a slam on your dog pasing VT–I’m sure it’s a great dog, I think you know what you are about, but I’m just I’m surprised at some dogs that DO pass.

So most dogs aren’t passing and the dogs that do are still soft?

Well then, this should really get Dobes off the list of breeds to be afraid of, and it does indicate to me that mine would most likely pass. Mine have proven themselves in real world situations. Neither are show dog bred though, my Euro is working lines and my male is actually a pet quality pet-bred dilute (fawn with NO Z factor). But he did get between me and a UPS guy he found suspicious and hair on his entire top of head through the tail stood up. Had the guy kept approaching, he would have held him. And my female is much stronger than he.

I’m glad the people got murder charges. Those dogs had bitten someone before and they still didn’t restrain them. This was not a bad dog situation, it was DEFINITELY a bad human issue.

[JanM]

Yes, in the Michigan case the two dog owners are facing second degree murder charges, and either way will be deported. They’ve both been here for many years, and both were turned down for their citizenship applications, and turned down by the appeals judge. The article I read said one person was Albanian, and one Italian, but either way, they’re going away. If they get convicted, then my understanding is they serve their terms here, and then get deported. Sometimes they get sent back to the country of origin earlier, in a prisoner exchange (that part I’ve never understood). How sad that someone had to die to get these dog owners out of circulation. It disgusts me that someone like the jogger that died, and many others killed or maimed by loose dogs, can be killed or horribly injured when they were minding their own business, and that’s so awful.

[Guin]

I am not commenting on any breed at all, but I see two posts from people who were attacked by a dog which was chained to a dog house. That is an entirely different aspect which doesn’t have anything to do with breed. If a dog is chained continually, then the circumference of the chain turns into its territory. Things coming into the territory can often be perceived as a threat even though they are not. For example, a jogger running past a chained dog. The dog sees a person running at him and into his territory, even though the jogger might not have even noticed the dog. Similarly, a dog left in a car can be extremely protective of its space. I have very sweet dogs, but I would never encourage a stranger to stick his face through the car window to say hello.

[Joanne]

It’s been a week+. Has the Cane Corso been sighted loose again?

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=Joanne;7694155]
It’s been a week+. Has the Cane Corso been sighted loose again?[/QUOTE]

Ha ha - one sighting after, where he had the dog sit and held her but still no collar or leash - so ridiculous. I’ve not seen any of the family this week so they must be away on vacation.

[vacation1]

@khall;7689477

vacation, really? Here are some professionals in vet medicine that disagree with you on so many points. http://avsabonline.org/uploads/position_statements/Breed-Specific_Legislation-download-1.pdf

Khall, I don’t mind if you stalk me around COTH objecting to my every post, but could you come up with an introduction other than “Vacation, really?” It gets old. And please, come up with some less pathetic arguments. Vets largely support the pit bull owners. I’m well aware of that; it’s hard to avoid knowing that when all my conversations with the people with whom I trust my pet - the vet, the groomer, the techs - are fraught with that tension of my wanting to be 110% sure they realize I do NOT want my elderly dog exposed to someone’s pit bull and their wanting to not give a shit because that’s an ambassabull! In my more bitter moments, I have to wonder if vets support pit bull owners because they’re such a MARVELOUS source of revenue. But you will see that change. Institutions change slowly, so it won’t be immediate. But as more people lose pets to pit attacks, those people aren’t going to want to hear “Oh, look at sweet Banjo the rescue pittie who gives kisses!” in the vet waiting room anymore. They’re not going to put up with having ol’ Felon in the Petsmart grooming center. The pit owners are a tiny, tiny minority that got an outsized voice because they needed it to overcome the fact they were in the wrong. Their lack of numbers is going to kill them in the end. A vet practice made up of only pit bulls is going under in a hurry. It took 30 years for the pit owners to make this dent in society; in another 30, they’ll be gone.

[khall]

vacation your unrealistic views on pit bulls and bully breeds in general gets old. I cannot imagine a person with any sense or intelligence that would condemn an entire breed(s) for very very few and many mis identified attacks.

You are living in fantasy land if you think an entire breed will disappear just because you want it to. If you read any of the statement in the link, many countries and cities who had BSLs are now repealing them because they just do not work, despite you saying they do (that fantasy land thing again). Sounds like you need to move to your own little land away from all the big bad pit bulls you might encounter.

Really, get some help with this unreasonable and irrational fear of the bully breeds. Wonder what that fear is called in psychiatric world? Bullyphobia?

I know nothing I write will change your ideas, I don’t really care, I just get so tired of reading your attacks against a breed/type that I admire in many ways. I cannot imagine any person with any kind of heart that thinks that all bullies should die. Just unfathomable in my head.

[Romany]

Can we keep this discussion focussed on the dog in question, Cane Corso, please?

[vacation1]

[QUOTE=khall;7695601]
Really, get some help with this unreasonable and irrational fear of the bully breeds. Wonder what that fear is called in psychiatric world? Bullyphobia? … I just get so tired of reading your attacks against a breed/type that I admire in many ways. I cannot imagine any person with any kind of heart that thinks that all bullies should die. Just unfathomable in my head.[/QUOTE]

Bullyphobia… and here I thought the ranting that BSL is “unconstitutional” was the ultimate in pit bull owner self-aggrandizement. It’s a dog breed. Get over yourself already. Lots of dog breeds have died out over the years. Anybody who “admires” the parts of the pit bull that are non-dangerous can easily find a breed which possess those attributes and has that added component the pits lack, which is inhibited bite and self-preservation. Lots of big, muscular dogs out there that aren’t mauling people and killing dogs in horrific numbers every day. Ban a handful of breeds, and make the world safer for dogs. Or protect one breed and make the world far more dangerous for dogs. I have a head and a heart, and that’s one easy choice.

[asb2517]

[QUOTE=khall;7695601]
vacation your unrealistic views on pit bulls and bully breeds in general gets old. I cannot imagine a person with any sense or intelligence that would condemn an entire breed(s) for very very few and many mis identified attacks.

You are living in fantasy land if you think an entire breed will disappear just because you want it to. If you read any of the statement in the link, many countries and cities who had BSLs are now repealing them because they just do not work, despite you saying they do (that fantasy land thing again). Sounds like you need to move to your own little land away from all the big bad pit bulls you might encounter.

Really, get some help with this unreasonable and irrational fear of the bully breeds. Wonder what that fear is called in psychiatric world? Bullyphobia?

I know nothing I write will change your ideas, I don’t really care, I just get so tired of reading your attacks against a breed/type that I admire in many ways. I cannot imagine any person with any kind of heart that thinks that all bullies should die. Just unfathomable in my head.[/QUOTE]

[JanM]

I don’t care what breed of dog you have, or the numbers, as long as your animal doesn’t come on my property, doesn’t bother me when I’m on public property, and is properly controlled in public. I don’t care what breed you have if you feed, house, and treat your animal kindly and properly. And if you have an animal that attacks another animal or human (yes, I’ve been watching Judge Judy again), don’t stand up in court and deny that your animals have multiple previous attacks recorded by the animal control, and police records. Bad owners always forget police and animal control records are available. The denial that some animal owners practice about the behavior of their animals is amazing.

[NoDQhere]

I don’t think I buy the “territory” argument either. We have a big, purebred GSD and a big GSD/Malamute cross. They have a large pen and get out to run around with us. We don’t leave them out unsupervised, because of the wildlife. I think the temptation of deer could prove too much :yes:. But where people are concerned, they are very trustworthy. In fact an insurance guy took a ladder into their pen to inspect my roof, I was out raking hay, and came home to find them playing and getting lovins from the guy,inside their pen.

BUT, both of these dogs were heavily socialized as young pups, handled by every single person we could get to hold, pet and play with them. Because we can’t afford to have a dog around that would bite a person.

Put me down as a person who would be very concerned if there was a CC in the neighborhood. Of course in this neighborhood, if any big dog is running around loose, it is soon a dead dog. This is sheep and cattle country so loose dogs aren’t welcome.

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=Megaladon;7683610]
Haven’t met a nice one. If it were me, yes, I would be concerned. Not sure there is much you can do. It sounds like you are on the right track however, good luck.[/QUOTE]

How many have you met?

They’re great dogs, but they require someone who has a clue. I was lucky to know someone in Aiken whose SO bred them… I met just about every dog on the premises - they each had distinct personalities but not a single one was aggressive. They were inquisitive but quiet. I was really impressed with them.

In the wrong hands, they’re just like any other dog.

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=vacation1;7695389]
Khall, I don’t mind if you stalk me around COTH objecting to my every post, but could you come up with an introduction other than “Vacation, really?” It gets old. And please, come up with some less pathetic arguments. Vets largely support the pit bull owners. I’m well aware of that; it’s hard to avoid knowing that when all my conversations with the people with whom I trust my pet - the vet, the groomer, the techs - are fraught with that tension of my wanting to be 110% sure they realize I do NOT want my elderly dog exposed to someone’s pit bull and their wanting to not give a shit because that’s an ambassabull! In my more bitter moments, I have to wonder if vets support pit bull owners because they’re such a MARVELOUS source of revenue. But you will see that change. Institutions change slowly, so it won’t be immediate. But as more people lose pets to pit attacks, those people aren’t going to want to hear “Oh, look at sweet Banjo the rescue pittie who gives kisses!” in the vet waiting room anymore. They’re not going to put up with having ol’ Felon in the Petsmart grooming center. The pit owners are a tiny, tiny minority that got an outsized voice because they needed it to overcome the fact they were in the wrong. Their lack of numbers is going to kill them in the end. A vet practice made up of only pit bulls is going under in a hurry. It took 30 years for the pit owners to make this dent in society; in another 30, they’ll be gone.[/QUOTE]

Oh. my.

I have to give a colossal eyeroll to anyone who is so anti-pit/bull breed - nothing shouts narrowminded ignorance more to me. Half the reason bullies have such a reputation is because just about any stray with four legs and two eyes is classified as a pit/bully breed - regardless if it has any bully ancestry. So really, you’re looking at thousands of misguided and misidentified ‘cases’ where a ‘bully breed’ is responsible for ‘yet another brutal and vicious mauling’. ALL dogs are INHERENTLY dangerous. Cute yellow labs kill people too!

Really, BSL doesn’t work, won’t work, and in 30 years there will still be bully breeds here.

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[vacation1]

“In the wrong hands, they’re just like any other dog.”

You’re an idiot.

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=vacation1;7695389]
Khall, I don’t mind if you stalk me around COTH objecting to my every post, but could you come up with an introduction other than “Vacation, really?” It gets old. And please, come up with some less pathetic arguments. Vets largely support the pit bull owners. I’m well aware of that; it’s hard to avoid knowing that when all my conversations with the people with whom I trust my pet - the vet, the groomer, the techs - are fraught with that tension of my wanting to be 110% sure they realize I do NOT want my elderly dog exposed to someone’s pit bull and their wanting to not give a shit because that’s an ambassabull! In my more bitter moments, I have to wonder if vets support pit bull owners because they’re such a MARVELOUS source of revenue. But you will see that change. Institutions change slowly, so it won’t be immediate. But as more people lose pets to pit attacks, those people aren’t going to want to hear “Oh, look at sweet Banjo the rescue pittie who gives kisses!” in the vet waiting room anymore. They’re not going to put up with having ol’ Felon in the Petsmart grooming center. The pit owners are a tiny, tiny minority that got an outsized voice because they needed it to overcome the fact they were in the wrong. Their lack of numbers is going to kill them in the end. A vet practice made up of only pit bulls is going under in a hurry. It took 30 years for the pit owners to make this dent in society; in another 30, they’ll be gone.[/QUOTE]

Interestingly enough from a vet tech’s point of view , one who’s worked primarily in emergency / orthopedic surgery they are the best dogs to work on.

Happy go lucky even when they are in extreme pain , submissive and tolerant even when they are in pain or uncomfortable , easy to handle in recovery and to medicate.

I’ve had the S@&* bit out of me by dozens of angry cats , every small dog breed you can imagine and a few rarer large dogs(although most of those were pain/fear related bites ) Not one pit bull in 11 plus years has ever offered to be anything but well behaved.

I’ve seen them hobble in on 3 legs with the other dangling from a compound fracture still trying to wag their tails and kiss every person in site. Some that were so hurt that they were stretchered in and barely with us who still would offer a tump of a tail and a kiss to complete strangers who were poking prodding and by all accounts causing more pain.

They are not perfect and humans certainly have made it hard for them but to rebuke an entire breed based on the behavior of a few is lunacy.

There certainly have been some really horrible human beings…should we all be viewed the same as they?

[Marshfield]

[QUOTE=Lynnwood;7728172]
Interestingly enough from a vet tech’s point of view , one who’s worked primarily in emergency / orthopedic surgery they are the best dogs to work on.

Happy go lucky even when they are in extreme pain , submissive and tolerant even when they are in pain or uncomfortable , easy to handle in recovery and to medicate.

I’ve had the S@&* bit out of me by dozens of angry cats , every small dog breed you can imagine and a few rarer large dogs(although most of those were pain/fear related bites ) Not one pit bull in 11 plus years has ever offered to be anything but well behaved.

I’ve seen them hobble in on 3 legs with the other dangling from a compound fracture still trying to wag their tails and kiss every person in site. Some that were so hurt that they were stretchered in and barely with us who still would offer a tump of a tail and a kiss to complete strangers who were poking prodding and by all accounts causing more pain.

They are not perfect and humans certainly have made it hard for them but to rebuke an entire breed based on the behavior of a few is lunacy.

There certainly have been some really horrible human beings…should we all be viewed the same as they?[/QUOTE]

And I witnessed one maul my technician and then try to attack me. I used an IV stand to push it off me as it tried to go for my face. The only serious bite I have seen in a decade as a veterinarian

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[hype]

Not anti breeds, anti irresponsible owners

As do most horse people, I know owners of many different types of breeds.

In the 70s and 80s, the Dobermen and Rotties were the breeds of aggression.

Under the wrong care, these dogs are probably more prone to aggressive behavior than say a Lab.

There are exceptions to any breed. I know dogs in the PB world as well as the CC world. The ones that I know with responsible, firm and good owners are wonderful dogs. I have no hesitation around them.

I have a neighbor who rescued a dog aggressive PB. It ended badly to say the least. Dog was out of her yard on a fairly regular basis, he attacked dogs in the neighborhood and tallied up quite a huge vet bill on the one that didn’t get away.

My beef (other than her irresponsibility of owning a KNOWN dog aggressive dog and failing to keep it contained) is with the rescues who place these dogs. I firmly believe (and I may be bashed for this) unless you are 100% certain that the new home can contain the dog and not allow it to cause any issues, they should not be placing these dogs. There are so many really good PBs, CC etc who would promote the breed in a positive manner that need homes. Concentrate on the ones you can save and unfortunately, I think the dog and people aggressive ones should be put to sleep if a very experienced home can’t be found for them.

These so called “rescues” who place these dogs into homes knowing there is a chance they won’t be successful do so much bad for the aggressive breeds as well as dog rescues in general.

Hopefully the breeders of these dogs screen the new owners well and place them in homes with experienced dog owners.

Off my soapbox…