Capone 1 mixup?

I am one of the founders of the Arabian Sport Horse Alliance, currently serve as an officer on the BOD so I can address this information.

The Alliance has a very “big tent” approach to how we define “Arabian-bred”. While the majority of horses in our programs are registered with AHA, NASS, or PShR, we welcome and include horses in ANY registry* that are at least 25% Arabian and/or Shagya-Arabian in the first 3 generations. The main reason for the 25% definition was to include F2 Warmbloods and sport ponies because those horses represent a continued valuation of Arabian/Shagya lineage within sport registries beyond the F1 generation.

We also have provisions for unregistered or “separated from their registration” horses that can provide documentation of Arabian lineage. We didn’t want to slam the door shut on people who proudly proclaim that their horse is Arabian or part-bred Arabian, but had some issue in the paper trail.

So these offspring of Cartel WOULD fall under the Alliance’s umbrella. :slight_smile: (Some of our show partners use a more limited definition in order to make ID of eligible horses obvious, but whenever possible we utilize the broader definition.)

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Cool! Thanks for the information. :slight_smile:

Does anyone have anymore information on or pictures of Cartel? I recently purchased a 2-year old filly by Cartel (knowingly, of course) without doing much investigation. It was my mistake not doing my research and assuming he was a well-known stallion by Capone 1, but just wanted to know if anyone else had any more information (or if there are any other owners that ended up purchasing Cartel babies).

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THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT. THIS HORSE IS NOT FOR SALE. I AM PROVIDING BACKGROUND INFORMATION ONLY.
I am not sure why my first post attempt was flagged as spam…

Hello everyone,

I would like to introduce myself as the owner of Cartel’s dam. I came across this thread by chance and I was truly shocked to discover what has unfolded for all of you. Firstly, I would like to offer my condolences to those who have been caught in the middle of the mix up. Although I am sure that some of you will end up with very lovely riding horses, I know this is not what you wanted and not what you paid for.

I would like to offer some background information on the Arabian mare, Azale Zoolal, and answer any questions you may have about her. I hope what I bring to share softens the blow of this unfortunate situation and offers a bit of reconciliation to those who have been affected. I am going to refer to the mare as Zoey, because this is the name that she has gone by in the time that I have owned her.

The first time I met Zoey was when she was two/three years old (2003 maybe?). My mom came close to buying her as a young horse to train and eventually give to me but the timing wasn’t right for us. My mom moved on but always regretted not purchasing Zoey while she had the chance. In 2007, a friend called to let us know that Zoey was for sale once again. I was 11/12 years old and was looking to move up off my first pony so we made the purchase from her previous owner. The previous owner had Zoey on a breeding lease with Corrine for two years. The first year, Corrine bred Zoey to a European jumper pony. The second year, Corrine bred Zoey to Capone. Cartel had just been weaned at the time we bought Zoey.

For the past 13 years, Zoey has been the most incredible partner and the best friend I could ever ask for. I evented her through most of my teenage years. Because she is only 14.3 hands and I am 5’8”, I did end up purchasing a larger warmblood a few years later, but Zoey never let her height slow her down. She schooled preliminary cross-country fences, up to 1.15 over fences quite regularly, and still is an absolute star on the flat. Dressage judges loved her, along with everyone else who met her along the way. Most people were quite surprised when they found out that she was full Arabian due to her docile personality and sport horse/pony build. I took a break from competitive riding to focus on a young horse, along with my education and career, so my mom rides Zoey now as a dressage pleasure mount. She must be missing competitive riding because she jumped out of her paddock the other week :lol:.

Zoey is the kind of horse you can go months without riding and pick up right where you left off. She’s the kind of horse you can jump on in the field without any tack and ask for lead changes. She’s gentle enough for a 5 year old child to handle and ride, yet sensitive and bold enough to be a blast for experienced riders. She’s never had any lameness issues - always barefoot and sound. On top of it all, when one of my previous mares passed while giving birth, Zoey adopted the foal as her own.

If anyone would like more information on Zoey, please send me a private message. I also have countless photos of Zoey that I am happy to share. I would love to hear all about your Cartel babies and what you have planned for their future.

Photos:
Zoey and Cartel (credit unknown)
Zoey cross country (Gurr Photography)
Zoey on the flat (Alex Groothof)

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Hi Fourteenthree,

I just wanted to chime in to acknowledge that there are others of us out in the sport horse world who also still appreciate Arabians and Arabian-bred horses and ponies for exactly the qualities you describe in your dear Zoey. Thank you for sharing her story with us here. Your description of Zoey reminds me why I switched from WBs to Arabians in the late 90s. (I still appreciate the WBs, but I enjoy working with my sporty Arabians and breeding them on a small scale. My homebred stallion is competing at I-1 now with his trainer. He has aptitude for jumping and loved XC when he schooled courses when he was younger. :slight_smile: )

(The Capone/Cartel breeding mixup was such a debaucle, but I hope the Cartel foals all ended up as useful partners for people.)

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I haven’t logged into this forum for quite awhile and missed the latest posts. I had 2 supposed to be Capone breedings in 2017 that turned out to be Cartels. Both were colts, I took updated pics of them as 3 yr olds this fall. Luckily they still turned out decent. I never did get any compensation from the SO. The second pic gelding went to an AA hunter home. The other is athletic and I still have hope he will jump at least mini prixs. I did come across some 2018 Cartel foals, so the SO continued her fraud into 2018.
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Slevin

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