Car Accident in Wellington

[QUOTE=Crockpot;8476386]
Whatever people may say about the driver- and I am one who likes to wait for facts- but never mind that–where the hell is there any evidence for blaming the passenger- as this poster clearly did and thought should be said to her family. Good God. Where is the evidence that the passenger screwed up:confused: and so her family should receive this message:eek:

This is what alittlegray wanted to say to the family[/QUOTE]

I believe they think the passenger took the misstep by getting in a car with an alleged drunk driver.

[QUOTE=Crockpot;8476375]
:confused: Can you not read. I guess so, You missed the point which was about the passenger who died.

I guess you missed this bit

So this also blames the passenger and clearly says that to her family

WTF. TRy actually reading before posting[/QUOTE]

I’m not following, no, my comments were specific to the driver. I wasn’t discussing the passenger in my posts.

you pass so much of your own judgement here, why can’t I have my own opinions?

[QUOTE=lockedoutalter;8476537]
I believe they think the passenger took the misstep by getting in a car with an alleged drunk driver.[/QUOTE]

yes, don’t we learn this at age 10 to not go in a car with ANYONE that has been drinking any amount?

But if she was drunk or high, then all bets are off.

This goes back to setting yourself up to fail by putting yourself in a bad situation. I’m not sure what part about this is hard for everyone to grasp? It doesn’t mean i don’t feel bad but I’m also angry at people for being so dumb. really. :confused:

[QUOTE=AliCat;8476383]
The righteousness levels of both sides of this debate are the highest I’ve ever seen on here.[/QUOTE]

??? really? can’t have an opinion?

This is tame IMHO compared to discussion about guns and killings. People forget about the victims and go right to their opinion on how they think guns are the problem. At least here we are discussing the situation.

This isn’t about righteousness, its about common sense based on what we know so far. Don’t drink and drive, sorry of that is offensive for some reason but it’s not about trying to be right.

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;8476044]
"alcohol is suspected to have contributed to the accident. It could be two months before blood tests performed on Rodriguez yield a result "

Until the tests are finalized, I don’t think anyone should be jumping to conclusions.[/QUOTE]

I can assure you that if the police released the statement “alcohol may have been a factor”, then they have very good reason to believe that it was. Police departments hate to have to retract and apologize for an inflammatory statement like that.

BAC levels from a blood test can be had very quickly (hours or days); if they are waiting two months for a final report then it is drugs that take that long to come back.

[QUOTE=OldHorse;8475140]
Regardless of their “Professional or Amateur” status, whether you knew him or her, the facts are he put you and I at risk. Or our children, or our loved ones. Just because he was an accomplished rider he is not exempt and no “Superman”. A man of his age knows better. And I’m going to get bashed in this and I don’t care, everyone at that party, someone should of taken his keys or offered them both a ride home. It should of NEVER happened. Where were their spouses? Were they at the party? How did they get home? I feel sorry for Paige and her family. A tough lesson hopefully learned.

We all know after Sunday it’s party time. I cringe at the fact that more vehicles could of been involved. More families lost loved ones. In today’s society there is no reason, no matter who you are to get behind a wheel when under the influence. PERIOD!!![/QUOTE]

Drunk drivers kill innocent people. And then claim it was “just an accident.” It is time that people quit excusing drunk drivers and start condemning them. When you get into a car with a drunk driver, instead of taking his keys from him, you are contributing to the carnage he causes. It is assumption of the risk of riding with a drunk driver. Like the friends of the “affluenza” teen in Texas, who chose to get into the vehicle with him. While those killed on the side of the road who stopped to help another driver were innocent victims of someone who deliberately chose to drink and drive. And don’t think that the affluenza teen is the only one who got probation for killing with a car.

Obituary for Sophie Walker: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=sophie-coppedge-walker&pid=177196947&fhid=10132. Such a horrific loss.

I’m so terribly sorry for these families.

Would love to see a different, separate, thread about the dangers of the party atmosphere in our different disciplines, as it had never been on my radar before this happened.

[QUOTE=2bayboys;8476580]
I can assure you that if the police released the statement “alcohol may have been a factor”, then they have very good reason to believe that it was. Police departments hate to have to retract and apologize for an inflammatory statement like that.

BAC levels from a blood test can be had very quickly (hours or days); if they are waiting two months for a final report then it is drugs that take that long to come back.[/QUOTE]

‘May have been’ is not 100% and people here are flaming away based on suspicion and not hard facts.

If the tests come back that quickly (hours, days) why hasn’t the offical report been made public yet?

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;8476949]
‘May have been’ is not 100% and people here are flaming away based on suspicion and not hard facts.

If the tests come back that quickly (hours, days) why hasn’t the offical report been made public yet?[/QUOTE]

Because they’re waiting for the toxocology to see if drugs were also a factor. Trust me, the police would not have publicly mentioned alcohol if they didn’t have very good reason to believe it is so.

[QUOTE=2bayboys;8477025]
Because they’re waiting for the toxocology to see if drugs were also a factor. Trust me, the police would not have publicly mentioned alcohol if they didn’t have very good reason to believe it is so.[/QUOTE]

And that may be true… but the facts and the truth have not been released yet. That’s all…

I really hope everyone here is given the pleasure of eating crow if the results come back negative for alcohol and drugs. I sincerely hope it was just an accident so nobody can place blame on anyone.

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;8477036]
And that may be true… but the facts and the truth have not been released yet. That’s all…

I really hope everyone here is given the pleasure of eating crow if the results come back negative for alcohol and drugs. I sincerely hope it was just an accident so nobody can place blame on anyone.[/QUOTE]

What if he was reading a text or email?!?

[QUOTE=2bayboys;8477025]
Trust me, the police would not have publicly mentioned alcohol if they didn’t have very good reason to believe it is so.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and it’s possible that something was found in the car that led them to that conclusion.

Having had a sister killed by a drunk driver I have to say this is the perfect time and place to discuss this issue. What better time than now when it is fresh and on everyone’s mind and on the front page than a week from now when it’s shuffled to the last page?

Right now friends and family are not on the internet and when they are maybe they will welcome that this senseless tragedy brought about a discussion on this issue. Drinking and driving is a very selfish act and to be quite honest I find it very hard to feel sorry for the drunk driver when 9 times out of 10 the drunk driver kills an innocent person and walks away injury free. Two families were destroyed in my family - mine and the drunk driver’s. We lost a loved one whereas the DD lost their loved one to prison and the rest of his life will center around his mistake. DD can be prevented a number of ways - if you’re going to drink give someone your keys to keep you from driving or if someone is drinking TAKE their keys to prevent them from driving. It’s very SIMPLE! If you save a life isn’t that worth it?? I believe it is.

To the families I offer my condolences. I’m sorry for your loss. There is nothing that anyone can say or do right now to ease your pain but it will ease in time.

[QUOTE=MaritimeH/J;8471419]
First of all, sincere deep condolences to the families and friends of both parties. It is truly awful. I can’t even imagine the pain of the spouses.

However I can picture a little of it, as my stepsister lost hers in a very similar way. I was the ‘friends and family’. I saw the comments, on facebook, on news posts, etc, (albeit a little later on) when her significant other was killed. Small community, same idea. Before anything was confirmed there was speculation, and tho frustrating, most was right. And she was in the car too. Got a drive home with someone they thought hadn’t been drinking ‘much’. Tho they knew she was drinking. And the driver hadn’t had much, but it was enough. They were all super nice people. All friends. My stepsister walked away with barely more than an extremely broken heart full of regret. She was in the front, no seatbelt. He was in the back, buckled in. Sometimes, the world doesn’t make sense.

I didn’t need to bear witness to her situation to know not to drive drunk, I never had, and I never will. And I don’t mean that in a holier than thou sort of way. I’ve made lots of mistakes in life, lots, just not that one - that’s in its own category for me, always was. But let me tell you, the first hand experience, watching it unfold, certainly emblazoned it into my brain. And at his funeral, just a couple days later, it was his own mother who was spreading the message. It wasn’t tiptoed around. Because it was just so freaking accepted in their crowd of friends. Have a few (or more), drive home. And enough was enough.

Unfortunately, immediately following a tragedy like this, when it is on everyone’s minds, is the easiest way to spread the message. Otherwise it falls on deaf ears. People are very upset, here and elsewhere, that people are jumping to conclusions. But if this wasn’t an ongoing issue, would that conclusion be jumped to? There is enough of it around that speculation was immediate. That’s a shame in itself.

If he was stone cold sober, then hopefully folks will realize that it is the well known culture tarnishing his name, and DO SOMETHING about it. Since people are going to talk no matter what, maybe having the talk out in the open will prompt some changes so that a) if intoxication was involved it is less likely to happen again and/or b) if intoxication wasn’t involved people will realize how well known the culture is now, and do something about it so that the next innocent accident is not tarred in speculation.

Again, sincere condolences to all those involved in the nightmare. Like mentioned above, I doubt they are reading this, but if anyone is, know that despite my two cents that may or may not be agreed with, I truly am sorry for the loss.[/QUOTE]

I’ll never forget the death notification given by the police or my mother screaming as she collapsed on the floor. Or my father, a strong Italian who never cried, as I watched the tears stream down his face. Or my nephew whose first words to me that night were, “My mother’s dead.” There are many other things I’ll never forget about that night. All I do know is if my words stop one person from drinking and driving then my sister’s death won’t be for nothing.

[QUOTE=KellyS;8471887]
Thankfully no other vehicles or people were involved in the crash, with others killed due to driving under the influence.

I feel terrible for the grieving family and friends. They wouldn’t be in this position had a responsible decision to not drink and drive had been made. Some here may say that alcohol being a factor in the crash has not yet been proven, but my gut is, it will.

My husband is in law enforcement and has made many death notifications to families whose members have been killed by drunk drivers. While I can feel sympathy for those affected by these deaths, it makes me angry when people make such careless and selfish decisions that put themselves and others lives in jeopardy.

For those of you who think that is too harsh, spend some time with families who have had those they loved killed by drunk driving.

From what I know, “party hardy” on Sunday nights in Wellington is the norm. Is it also the norm to turn a blind eye to people leaving and driving home drunk? Sad, sad consequences, if so. :no:[/QUOTE]

Holy moly, I knew her when she was a junior. As soon as I saw her maiden name, my jaw dropped.

I wasn’t close to her, so take it for what it’s worth, but I haven’t changed my opinion that Alittlegray’s post was compassionate and probably helpful.

If the results come back that both involved were stone, cold sober, then at least their loss will have led to a good discussion and reminder to not drive under the influence, which is, apparently, pretty much an issue in the environment in which this accident occurred. If just one mind finally gets the message from this discussion, then it was not a waste. It would appear that there are many minds in Wellington on Sunday evenings that would benefit from making this change.

Such a tragedy. Loss of young, talented, vibrant lives is always such a tragedy.

Whether or not there were alcohol or drugs involved with the accident, excessive speed was definitely a factor. There are photos published of the car.

It is, indeed, a tragedy that could have been prevented. My heart goes out to their family and friends.

Please view the accident not as an exercise in finger pointing, but as a cautionary tale.

[QUOTE=AliCat;8477048]
What if he was reading a text or email?!?[/QUOTE]

Yep… Or went to sleep. Or the car brakes went out… or or or… but to accuse people who lost their lives of being drunk or on drugs is really low. Wait for the final report for accusations.

I went off police reports. I said at least twice I’d be happy to be wrong!
Based on the scenario and common sense it appears to be drugs or alcohol.
I hope we do get more facts.
Others on this thread do not have the right to dictate my response, just as I understand that your response is unique.
I got a call about an alcoholic related death, have you? It affects you for a long time

Police reports… what official police report are you referring to? I wouldn’t refer to a printed article as an official police report.

So anyone driving home from a party who has an accident is automatically accused of being drunk these days?