IMO, if people want to express their feelings about a death due to drunk driving, they should do so. The alternative? No one says anything and we all act like this was a sober accident? No. The opinions of others matter, and if not wanting people to shame you for how you died is one motivation to not driving drunk, that’s a good thing.
I have no tolerance for drunk/drug/texting driving. Destroy yourself if you must, but don’t kill others while you’re at it.
I would like to express by condolences and prayers to both Andres and Sophie’s family and friends.
My thoughts are with you all during this very trying time.
I hope that you will be able to find some peace and comfort in the next years. It is never easy losing someone that you love; and is even more difficult when in the public spotlight. Both of them will be greatly missed.
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Actually it has been confirmed by the PBSO that alcohol was a factor.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t realize that - thanks for clarifying.
[QUOTE=ToTheNines;8470804]IMO, if people want to express their feelings about a death due to drunk driving, they should do so. The alternative? No one says anything and we all act like this was a sober accident? No. The opinions of others matter, and if not wanting people to shame you for how you died is one motivation to not driving drunk, that’s a good thing.
I have no tolerance for drunk/drug/texting driving. Destroy yourself if you must, but don’t kill others while you’re at it.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this, but I feel the respectful thing to do would be to discuss it in a new thread and keep it to a general discussion revolving around drunk driving without bringing up these specific individuals so soon after their deaths.
I’ve heard two stories of how Sophie and Andres came to be together in that car. The first is that the four of them (including Brian & Clem) were at Paige Johnson’s house at a party. Brian & Clem left earlier & Sophie hitched a ride with Andres. The second story out there, and please do not let this be true- is that they were at Players (or whatever it’s called now) and Brian and Sophie got in a fight. He told her to find her own way home and he split. This is pure eleventh hand info. Can anyone CONFIRM what really happened. Brian is a sweet kid & I’d hate to think of him carrying that guilt with him for the rest of his life.
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I’ve heard two stories of how Sophie and Andres came to be together in that car. The first is that the four of them (including Brian & Clem) were at Paige Johnson’s house at a party. Brian & Clem left earlier & Sophie hitched a ride with Andres. The second story out there, and please do not let this be true- is that they were at Players (or whatever it’s called now) and Brian and Sophie got in a fight. He told her to find her own way home and he split. This is pure eleventh hand info. Can anyone CONFIRM what really happened. Brian is a sweet kid & I’d hate to think of him carrying that guilt with him for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
if you would “hate for him” to have that guilt, why not delete your very first post on here that raises the issue of potential guilt? And I will promptly delete mine.
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if you would “hate for him” to have that guilt, why not delete your very first post on here that raises the issue of potential guilt? And I will promptly delete mine.[/QUOTE]
This is my first post on here ever.
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This is my first post on here ever.[/QUOTE]
What a sad first post. Coincidentally, someone just wrote almost same thing on horseshow diva!!
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This is my first post on here ever.[/QUOTE]
Well it was one…now two too many. Go back to horse show diva. Someone will answer you there, I’m sure. Troll in the house.
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I’ve heard two stories of how Sophie and Andres came to be together in that car. The first is that the four of them (including Brian & Clem) were at Paige Johnson’s house at a party. Brian & Clem left earlier & Sophie hitched a ride with Andres. The second story out there, and please do not let this be true- is that they were at Players (or whatever it’s called now) and Brian and Sophie got in a fight. He told her to find her own way home and he split. This is pure eleventh hand info. Can anyone CONFIRM what really happened. Brian is a sweet kid & I’d hate to think of him carrying that guilt with him for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
I heard the first version from a reliable source.
You are disgusting to bring up these details regardless of whether they are true or not. It is so inappropriate - have you no sense of decency? Go back to HSD where they enjoy such trash.
If everyone would go FLAG the post and delete their quoting of the post, the mods will see it and remove it.
I reported it to the mods
Reported, no need to swamp the mods
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yes, he may have been a very accomplished rider and a nice person, but some comments are trying to make him sound like a saint… he was not obviously…
I feel terrible for Sophie’s husband really…[/QUOTE]
But not for Andres’ wife? Even if/though he drove drunk and took Sophie’s life as well as his own, you don’t think his young wife deserves some sympathy as well? She wasn’t driving that car…
I mostly lurk on H/J as I don’t know nuthin’ about no hunters. However, as I am an old fart I think I can safely say I know a few things about human nature. Everyone, yes even those of you who say otherwise, everyone makes mistakes.
I don’t think in my 5 or so years on COTH that I’ve ever read comments that are crueller or more insensitive than some on this thread. Those are only topped by the nasty gossipy ones above.
I really hope the mods delete this whole thing. First time I’ve ever posted that but I’m really ashamed of some of you.
ETA: In case this sticks around, my deepest condolences to the families of both victims.
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If everyone would go FLAG the post and delete their quoting of the post, the mods will see it and remove it.[/QUOTE]
I deleted the quote from my post.
The posts that some are questioning, IMHO, are the feelings of those who are frustrated and somewhat angry that such a preventable accident happened to young, accomplished, and much loved people.
Just as some are expressing their sympathies, others are expressing their disappointment and disbelief that this was allowed to take place. No one is intending to be rude or insensitive.
Bear with one another…
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I have to say that I never cease to be amazed at the cruelty of human beings to other human beings that have not lived up the “perfect” standards that we would all like to strive for on a daily basis. It saddens me that people are coming on this board degrading the deceased without regard for their families, friends or fans.
None of us are perfect and while I get that there are “some” of you out there that would NEVER do anything wrong like this; you make me want to vomit.
Some of your comments are hateful and vile and my hope for you is that crawl back into your hatred filled hole and leave these people alone. They paid with their lives. Is that not enough?[/QUOTE]
I couldn’t agree with you more. This thread is increasingly disrespectful and disappointing. May Andres’ and Sophie’s family find peace during an impossible tragedy.
These situations always make me so introspective…had I gone with “the love of my life” - I am fairly certain I would have died, or become a vegetable, from some chemical/speed/Porsche related incident on I-280 in N. Cal. Or, some not so well thought out platonic or so called relationship in FL with someone else with a Porsche or another VERY fast, very powerful, vehicle. I’ve had brief encounters with both, one with the driver NOT under the influence of anything but maybe coffee and one with.
For some reason, some of us have survived more than one and accident waiting to happen seatbeltless, chemically enhanced brush with death or more like opportunity for death incident (note - I have not heard if either of them were wearing seatbelts) and some do not. We’ve gotten warnings or passes where others would be jailed.
Life is not fair. Some people get “passes” repeatedly and some do not. He did not, and sadly, his actions and choices caused the death of someone else. She also made a choice, though, to get in the car, however not 100% she was at the time, I find it hard to believe his reputation did not proceed him.
We never think it “will happen to us” - we think it happens to others, who make even worse choices, but sometimes, it’s there, staring us in the face, we were just lucky.
So, today, I thank my guardian angel, who while I think may drink a bit too much herself, kept me alive to nearly 50 so far, and I grieve for those who loved these two, who will spend every day of their lives thinking what if and if only and…
As for the drinking part, I also must say that ANYONE who has driven a vehicle that says they have NEVER let themselves become distracted, you are in denial. Rather than blaming someone, or judging because alcohol was involved, I suggest you take a moment to say a “thank you” to whatever power you believe in that your changing radio stations, eating, talking on the phone, texting, rustling in a bag, trying to beat light, passing when it wasn’t really safe, drinking coffee, etc did not result in the taking of another life or a serious accident.
After reading this thread I am, once again, stunned at the disconnect that many people exhibit between their behavior IRL and on the internet. Or perhaps I have just had the luck NOT to know people who would pontificate about the possibility that very recently deceased people may have made an error in judgement that led to the car crash in which they died.
Yuck.
I would hope that those of you who feel the need to lecture online at this point in time, would have the sense not to do so in the presence of grieving families IRL.
What you don’t seem to understand is, that in this day and age, you are doing just that, by doing so online…
Maybe you really don’t care, and would lecture grieving families, friends, or acquaintances of people who have died suddenly. In any instance, I am glad not to know you, and thankful that I know no one like you…
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