Catherine Haddad's latest editorial

and you suzy, have the tendency to be a hypocrite , as evidenced from your weird PMs to me crapping on ed gal because he allegedly blew off a fan once|? UM really? No matter that it has nothing to do with his training and riding and teaching but what does that have to do with the price of beans.

Has he ever publicly crapped on people who dared to disrespect him by showing up for his clinics? No. Maybe he is more professional than that and lets organizers know beforehand the level of rider he’d like to teach?? Maybe?

So on the board you chastise people for criticising the top riders like anky and so on but behind the scenes you don’t mind sticking the knife in with a bit of rather flimsy hearsay gossip. :lol:

[QUOTE=suzy;7109223]
Meup, you have a tendency in your posts to go off in different directions and try to tackle too many topics at once, so I’m not always clear what your specific question is, so here is my best attempt at answering what I think your question is. :slight_smile:

I’m okay with blunt. In an earlier post, I made the distinction between “blunt” and “rude.” IMO, CHS is blunt. Other people believe she is “rude.” I think you are among them, and there’s nothing I can say that will change your mind, so this is why we have to agree to disagree, okay? No harm, no foul; it’s just what it is.

P.S. YOU did not “get reamed” unless you are one of those trainers who can’t teach the basics. If you are secure in your own knowledge and ability to convey it to others, you have nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE]

Bolded is a failure of reading comprehension.

The question is not whether or not CHS was rude.

The question is whether or not you, in your defense of her behavior, are applying the SAME STANDARDS to her as you are to everyone else. I thought it was hypocritical ON YOUR PART to criticize other posters for the same type of critique that CHS leveled.

My thoughts on CHS, her riding, what she wrote, whatever, are completely independent of the idea that standards of critique should be the same for WHOEVER is doing the critiquing. They can be harsh standards or very moderate standards, but they should be the same across the board.

I have not wavered from this point, although you have squirmed around admirably to avoid saying, “Yeah, probably if I (Suzy) think is unfair of people to be harsh on the photo it was also unfair of CHS to paint the general trainer populace of the United States with a floridly worded harsh brush.”

I have not indicated much at all about CHS herself. I have said I find YOU to be applying inconsistent standards of “critique fairness” depending on whose side you are on.

One last time…people are attacking CHS, the individual. CHS was making a very general statement that trainers in this country need better training so that they can train better. She in no way singled out any individual person. I don’t know how I can be any plainer.

In addition, some very cruel and vicious things have been said about her on this thread.

[QUOTE=suzy;7109252]
One last time…people are attacking CHS, the individual. CHS was making a very general statement that trainers in this country need better training so that they can train better. She in no way singled out any individual person. I don’t know how I can be any plainer.[/QUOTE]

“People” are, but I am not.

My question to you was what standards do YOU think it would be fair to hold CHS to? We already know what standards you hold the other posters on COTH to, I am just wondering if the two standards match.

[QUOTE=Crockpot;7109175]
Do you really think your idol and ed gal are in the same stratosphere?[/QUOTE]

LMAO I can assure you NO ONE that rides horses for a living is my idol and secondly yes they are in the same stratosphere but he clearly has better horses. They both ride the “chair seat”

[QUOTE=suzy;7109252]
One last time…people are attacking CHS, the individual. CHS was making a very general statement that trainers in this country need better training so that they can train better. She in no way singled out any individual person. I don’t know how I can be any plainer.

In addition, some very cruel and vicious things have been said about her on this thread.[/QUOTE]

Give it up Suzy you are wasting your breathe on a few people who in the big scheme of things don’t matter.

:lol: I officially give up.

[QUOTE=suzy;7109262]
:lol: I officially give up.[/QUOTE]

Good idea. Time for all involved to give up. This is not going anywhere.

Kinda like one of those rabid garden snails. :lol:

[QUOTE=mp;7109279]
Good idea. Time for all involved to give up. This is not going anywhere.

Kinda like one of those rabid garden snails. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Why is it your personal mission to get this thread to stop???

Maybe you should give up trying to get everybody else to give up.

I officially give up.

good idea. I was somewhat understanding your points while not agreeing until you decided to throw ed gal under the bus behind the scenes via pms based on one lone incident where you saY he blew off a fan? really? gee whiz.

Maybe he was completely focussed on his ride. Maybe he was tired. I don’t know but to dredge that up in answer to this thread? WTF?

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7109282]
Why is it your personal mission to get this thread to stop???

Maybe you should give up trying to get everybody else to give up.[/QUOTE]

Lighten up, meup. It was a joke.

Keep on keepin’ on, if that makes you happy.

Agree - despite my fascination with a thread that just will not quit - this topic went off course quite a while back. I’d be scared to take from, or recommend a whole bunch of you after this.

Riders need an enthusiastic, motivating, kind and empathetic person, someone who is intellectually knowledgeable about dressage, and treats students and horses with respect and genuinely likes their job and seeing successes mount up.
For that, they can offer trainability as far as their body will allow, mental focus, fitness, and sweat.

Holy shit, is this thing still going strong? It really supports what I so often hear men say: Women just won’t let it go.

yes ticklewalker and funny that you and spiritfight still continue to particpate

and won’t let it go

:lol:

Give it up Suzy you are wasting your breathe on a few people who in the big scheme of things don’t matter.

but YOU matter, right ? hahaha

None of us matter all that much and that even includes you and your idol.

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7102378]
“Rita” = “reader”

…get it?

So witty.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I’m certainly not witty enough to ride in one of her clinics.

[QUOTE=TickleFight;7109380]
Holy shit, is this thing still going strong? It really supports what I so often hear men say: Women just won’t let it go.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Nah. I think it’s more of the Sheldon line from The Big Bang Theory where he quotes the mailman as saying, “Got your back, Jack. Bitches be crazy.” :lol:

This is heartbreaking to me. I joined this forum specifically to respond to this post and the others regarding this photo. You do not have permission to use it. I can only assume that you chose it to paint CHS, the rider, and/or her saddle in a poor light. It is a moment in time as clearly revealed by the other photos. While you may have specifically been referencing the saddle as the cause, posting this opened up another line of discourse that is both negative and hurtful. Please do the right thing and remove the post and apologize.

I board my old schoolmaster at this stable. He has gone in clinics with CHS with another rider and the three of us (horse included) have zero complaints. In fact, we only have positive things to say. Regarding the saddle, I have ridden in a similar one for over ten years - yes, it can be tough to keep a perfect position in 100% of the time - but they are invaluable for developing an effective seat. That’s something that I don’t feel our more ‘modern’ saddles promote.

In sum, if I may be so bold as to speak for this rider, please remove the photo.

Congratulations Catherine on your recent Grand Prix win, touted as a great success in your recent article. Maybe next time you can ride in a class that has more than one rider. Talk about celebrating mediocrity, lets not break out the champagne quite yet!

[QUOTE=Crockpot;7109283]
good idea. I was somewhat understanding your points while not agreeing until you decided to throw ed gal under the bus behind the scenes via pms based on one lone incident where you saY he blew off a fan? really? gee whiz.

Maybe he was completely focussed on his ride. Maybe he was tired. I don’t know but to dredge that up in answer to this thread? WTF?[/QUOTE]

Oh. My. God. :uhoh: This means WAR. :lol:

I haven’t been following this thread very closely, but that’s just hilarious.

By the way, the one time I saw Edward he was graciously posing for photos with fans (while sick with the flu) at the warm-up ring where he was waiting to give a demo with Hans Peter.

I kept my distance.:stuck_out_tongue:

So offensive!