Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

[luvmytbs]

What I don’t understand is why we are not heaing anything from the pro-slaughter entities (Sue Wallis, Tom Lenz, UHC etc) on this matter.

They (along with their minions) constantly boast about how concerned they are about humane treatment at the plant, in transit and the safety issues during transport and that they will assure everything will be better for the horses.

Here they have a PR opportunity to show their concern for the horses and humans involved and to explain to the public how they will prevent such incidents from happening on their watch.

Yet, not a peep.
It’s like they have fallen off the face of the earth.

Obviously they don’t walk the talk. :lol:

[goneriding24]

[QUOTE=katyb;6091103]
Well, I hauled my mare loose in my stock/combo trailer day before yesterday. By herself. I guess it’s just miraculous that she was still upright when I got home?

Who are these horses who can’t stand up if they aren’t propped up?[/QUOTE]

Actually, that’s how I haul most of whatever horse(s) I happen to own whenever they need to go somewhere. Stock trailer, loose horses with the middle gate closed and I’ve never had even a stepped on leg/hoof. I don’t tie as a general rule unless a horse needs to be tied for some reason.

They figgered out how they were the most comfy and rode that way. For the record, most of my horses have liked to ride at either an angle or completely backwards. They can spraddle out how they are the most comfy.

[BaroquePony]

RedMare01, well said :yes:.

[7HL]

@luvmytbs;6091228

What I don’t understand is why we are not heaing anything from the pro-slaughter entities (Sue Wallis, Tom Lenz, UHC etc) on this matter.

Only the ARAs want to use an accident as a propaganda tool.

They (along with their minions) constantly boast about how concerned they are about humane treatment at the plant, in transit and the safety issues during transport and that they will assure everything will be better for the horses.

Have more plants closer to everyone and it would cut down themiles and time in transit. Put a few plants neer some of the auctions.

Here they have a PR opportunity to show their concern for the horses and humans involved and to explain to the public how they will prevent such incidents from happening on their watch.

Build more plants, processing facilities. And for the anti slaughter group and posters. Buy the horses and take care of them.

Yet, not a peep.
It’s like they have fallen off the face of the earth.

PEEP OFF!

Obviously they don’t walk the talk. :lol:

No walk, use semis

[Barnfairy]

@7HL;6090331

This thread is just about trying to shutting down horse slaughter.

That is where you are quite wrong.

At the core of this debate is an accident resulting directly from a blatant disregard of safety and common sense.

This isn’t about ending horse slaughter. It’s about not letting someone’s greed become a threat to the welfare of others.

There are no RARAs here. Quite the opposite actually; there are several posters here who support humane slaughter practices. 'Humane practices which place a little more emphasis on welfare and safety so that we don’t have accidents like this one.

Perhaps this accident hit a little too close to home for some of you. Maybe slaughter is a source of income for you. To acknowledge some of the practices surrounding the shipping of horses to feed lots and slaughter are heinous might result in legislation against them, thereby infringing upon your ability to turn a profit, and so you go on the defensive.

To admit that packing as many horses as possible in a trailer has everything to do with bottom line, and nothing at all to do with keeping horses from kicking the snot out of each other, would make you look bad. 'And so you deflect.

No, this thread isn’t about ending horse slaughter. It isn’t really even about horses at all. It’s about what can happen when someone thinks that making money is more important than someone else’s safety.

If you’d like to turn the thread into a horse slaughter debate, I’m not interested in participating.

Peace out.

[apcohrs]

It is telling that the pro slaughter folks are defending inhumane transport methods.

Peep off indeed rolleyes

[Acertainsmile]

I’m betting my 2 bucks that Barnfairy is right on the money…so [7HL], which auctions do you frequent?

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=rustbreeches;6090556]
I hope to God this vet never goes to a polo practice or match where the horses are tied to the side of a trailer in the broiling sun.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know of any polo matches where they are left exposed to the elements for up to 26 hrs, with no water.

[Montanas_Girl]

Let me quickly sum up 17+ pages of posts in a nutshell:

Anti-Slaughter Position:
–Evil! Cruel! Horrible! Slaughter! Dealer! owns truck that was involved in the wreck, therefore the horses were clearly abused and crammed onto the trailer in an inhumane way.
–Company has been involved in shady dealings before, therefore the horses were clearly abused and crammed onto the trailer in an inhumae way.
–There is no possible way that 38 horses can EVER be hauled humanely in any trailer, no matter how big it is.
–The fact that the horses were likely headed to a feedlot is relevant to the driver/company’s negligence in this particular case because???(still haven’t figured that one out.)

“Pro”-Slaughter (I use quotation marks because calling someone like me “pro” slaughter is almost as big of a misnomer as calling a pro-choice person “pro” abortion) Position:
– Driver may or may not be in serious trouble depending on what the investigation into the wreck reveals.
– Company has clearly been involved in some illegal dealings in the past. IF they are as shady as they appear, then everyone involved should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
– Number of horses on the trailer appears to have been within legal limits. Horses were headed to a legal end destination. Whether or not horses were accompanied by required paperwork has not been clarified.
–The slaughter issue has no relevancy to the issue of a potentially negligent driver/company owner.

And we wonder why the two sides will never see eye to eye? It is difficult to argue facts against emotion and vice versa…

[Acertainsmile]

Since you are summing things up so nicely, exactly who here is “anti slaughter”?

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Montanas_Girl;6091409]
–The fact that the horses were likely headed to a feedlot is relevant to the driver/company’s negligence in this particular case because???(still haven’t figured that one out.)

QUOTE]

Because the location is a distance that would require crossing state lines, which makes what paperwork is needed, relevant.

Also because a trucker can only drive so many hrs a day legally. Horses are only allowed to travel a certain number of hrs with no food/water. There wasn’t a 2nd driver, and no way to offload/water/reload mentioned. So he was possibly violating more laws, depending upon his true destination.

[jenm]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;6091419]
Since you are summing things up so nicely, exactly who here is “anti slaughter”?[/QUOTE]

Good point, and why does it even matter? This is not a slaughter discussion. If you (Montanas_Girl) want to discuss the issues and the “sides” feel free to dig up one of the many threads on this topic.

[jenm]

@7HL;6090331

I see some of the same people hauling horses without the proper paperwork and licenses.

You “see” some of the same people hauling…hmmm…do you have x-ray vision or some sort of super powers we aren’t aware of?

And if that is indeed the case, why are “you” letting them get away with it. Hmmm?

Things that make you go “Hmmmm…”

:eek:

[Dispatcher]

Considering where he says he lives, Paradise, PA, which is not far form New Holland auction and in the midst of Amish farm land, I suspect he DOES see this sort of thing all the time.

Guess he got used to not following the rules and now considers it SOP…

[betonbill]

I think Barnfairy was right on the money.

[wireweiners]

[QUOTE=katyb;6091103]
Well, I hauled my mare loose in my stock/combo trailer day before yesterday. By herself. I guess it’s just miraculous that she was still upright when I got home?

Who are these horses who can’t stand up if they aren’t propped up?[/QUOTE]

Good gravy, there’s a world of difference between hauling one horse and hauling several. One horse shifting in the back of a trailer isn’t going to cause much of a problem, a bunch of horses shifting around in a trailer will. One horse loose in a trailer has no one to fight with, a bunch of horses loose in a trailer will fight if they have room to. I’m betting you didn’t haul this one horse loose in the whole trailer, did you?

[7HL]

@jenm;6091512

You “see” some of the same people hauling…hmmm…do you have x-ray vision or some sort of super powers we aren’t aware of?

And if that is indeed the case, why are “you” letting them get away with it. Hmmm?

Things that make you go “Hmmmm…”

:eek:

Hmmmm…

:lol:

---

Proud owner of horses

[annikak]

This is a story about a horse trailer with horses that overturned. Or at least that is what I think it started as.

Any thread with a horse trailer accident tugs at most of us. Its horrible.

Hauling numerous horses happens, and sometimes in a semi- sometimes in a straight load, sometimes a slant, and sometimes in a brenderup.

Accidents happen in all of those cases. They are all horrible. Horse and trailers + travel creates risk.

Slaughter is not the issue here, at least it shouldn’t be. What he was doing was legal. How he was doing it may not have been. That’s up to “them” to decide, and I am sure they will be. For the posted that mentioned chickens, ducks, pigs and cows being hauled in similar matters, I don’t like it, but it IS legal, so I do my little part and that’s all, because the bigger issue is decided.

And from me, who HAS gotten a horse off a feed lot and supported said horses, one in particular truly does not have a horse value. He can’t be ridden, because he was poorly treated and is poorly behaved and dangerous under saddle, and not trained well. Your best defense in all cases is to train your horses well, make them polite equine citizens and try to find them good homes.

[katyb]

[QUOTE=wireweiners;6092016]
Good gravy, there’s a world of difference between hauling one horse and hauling several. One horse shifting in the back of a trailer isn’t going to cause much of a problem, a bunch of horses shifting around in a trailer will. One horse loose in a trailer has no one to fight with, a bunch of horses loose in a trailer will fight if they have room to. I’m betting you didn’t haul this one horse loose in the whole trailer, did you?[/QUOTE]

I didn’t this time, but I have. I’ve hauled rescue horses with as many as three unrestrained in there, with the cut gate open.

One horse, or even three horses, is different from many horses, in terms of the load shifting. However, I don’t see any big danger that horses not packed in tightly will fall over randomly, unless they are in really bad shape.

[jenm]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;6091299]
I’m betting my 2 bucks that Barnfairy is right on the money…so 7HeLL, which auctions do you frequent?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6091746]Considering where he says he lives, Paradise, PA, which is not far form New Holland auction and in the midst of Amish farm land, I suspect he DOES see this sort of thing all the time.

Guess he got used to not following the rules and now considers it SOP…[/QUOTE]

@betonbill;6092003

I think Barnfairy was right on the money.

This makes sense and explains his callousness and lack of compassion.