[QUOTE=jetsmom;6090268]
Same farm according to the video.And it was a vet that was concerned for the horses sitting in the sun on a 100 degree day. Of course the vet is probably an ARA that wants ownership to end, and photoshopped the video to make it look like it didn’t have a roof, and photoshopped out the people watering the horses.[/QUOTE]
I hope to God this vet never goes to a polo practice or match where the horses are tied to the side of a trailer in the broiling sun.
[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;6090177]
Oh BS Alagirl, there are rules and regulations in place for hauling livestock, and horses. One of the first rules is that you have a safe vehicle (that is why we have to have them inspected)…if you dont, they yes, you are not only endangering the animals, but other drivers on the road as well.[/QUOTE]
Vehicle and trailer inspections are not mandatory in every state, unfortunately. CO is one of those.
You really don’t read what other people say, do you?
There are plenty of farms and ranches out there who have that many and more horses to move at any given time, not to a feedlot.
How do you propose they do that? A 2 horse straight at a time?
I hope you don’t get a nosebleed on that high horse you are on.
[QUOTE=rustbreeches;6090556]
I hope to God this vet never goes to a polo practice or match where the horses are tied to the side of a trailer in the broiling sun.[/QUOTE]
I think packed tightly in a trailer is different from tied to the side, and I’m pretty sure the polo players keep their horses fed and watered, given it IS a competition that depends upon their abilities.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6090579]
You really don’t read what other people say, do you?
There are plenty of farms and ranches out there who have that many and more horses to move at any given time, not to a feedlot.
How do you propose they do that? A 2 horse straight at a time?
I hope you don’t get a nosebleed on that high horse you are on.[/QUOTE]
I am on a high horse because I care about the safety of horses? So be it, nice view! :winkgrin:
I thought the clip just called him doctor, not necessarily a vet.
IIRC horses can be transported for 28 hours without being offered food or water or being offloaded
It is 6 hours for food and water. 28 hours and they must be off loaded.
No, your assertion that anybody not doing things your way ids uncaring and cruel is arrogant and condescending.
The six hours is prior to loading, no regs to provide during transport:
[I] For a period of not less than 6 consecutive hours immediately prior to the equines being loaded on the conveyance, provide each equine appropriate food ( i.e. , hay, grass, or other food that would allow an equine in transit to maintain well-being), potable water, and the opportunity to rest.
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[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6090825]
The six hours is prior to loading, no regs to provide during transport:
[I] For a period of not less than 6 consecutive hours immediately prior to the equines being loaded on the conveyance, provide each equine appropriate food ( i.e. , hay, grass, or other food that would allow an equine in transit to maintain well-being), potable water, and the opportunity to rest.
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What! I was wr…wr…wr…wrong? Mea culpa I thought my interpretation was rather far fetched. That will teach me to speed read. :eek:
Those docs sort of invite speed reading…
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6090732]
No, your assertion that anybody not doing things your way ids uncaring and cruel is arrogant and condescending.[/QUOTE]
Say what? Heck, a few pages back I acknowledged that a Pinto pulling a Brenderup was okay, as long as it was road safe and didnt have 6 horses piled in. :
But if you think hauling a bunch of horses in a rig with bald tires and a whacked out driver is safe for all involved, so be it.
You would never haul one of mine.
I wonder if the people who wrote those laws ever have gone without food or water for 28 hours? I kind of doubt it. If they had, they’d have a much shorter interval required.
I once hired a shipper to haul some horses for me from Wyoming to here. It took 30 hours and he drove straight through. He claims he fed and watered them along the way but when those horses got here, they drank buckets and buckets of water and were drawn up and looked dehydrated/stressed. They had also eaten each others manes and tails. They were very hungry also and exhausted. The entire load was down flat out sleeping the next day all together.
I won’t ever have horses shipped that way again. I did not realize at the time that was what he intended but now I question and ask to find out the plan ahead of time. It was very stressful on them and not worth it. I’m glad no one got sick. Now I pay a shipper with a nice rig that stops at night and let’s the horses eat and rest. If I haul my own rig that far, and I have several times now, I stop and offload at night at a horse motel sort of place.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6088553]
Have you ever dealt with a semi trailer?[/QUOTE]
In what way?
Hey, I have NO problem with expressing my feelings about people who treat horses or other animals inhumanely. Anyone who purposely causes harm to an animal deserves more than a pitchfork. Animals may not have rights, but as I’ve posted before, they should be treating humanely. There was nothing humane about this incident. Why you don’t care baffles me, but you’re the one who has to live with your callous attitude.
[QUOTE=7HL;6090069]There is a new thread about a horse killed, by a hit and rund driver in NH.
If the driver can be found. Will they release his name, home address and where they work? Will they do complete backgound check and let the public know everything they can about the driver? Will there be a call for vigilante justice?[/QUOTE]
The driver turned himself in. It’s highly unlikely he purposely tried to hit the horse. In the case of the horses transported, whoever loaded them KNEW he was cramming horses in and DIDN’T CARE! Why does that not even bother you a little bit?
Never mind, it’s a rhetorical question.
For the life of me I cannot understand what you’re arguing.
Take slaughter out of the equation entirely. You and your little buddy 7 seem to be the only ones bringing that up ad infinitum anyway. Heck, while we’re at it, take out the number of horses on that trailer. I don’t think it could possibly be humane, but whatever. For the sake of argument, pretend it was.
This guy put 38 horses on a trailer with a man who had a prior bad history (including charges) when hauling livestock. NOT OKAY. He had a history of not maintaining his vehicles and equipment to the standard of the law. NOT OKAY. The driver apparently told him he did not feel up to doing the haul, and he told him to do it anyway or lose his job. NOT OKAY.
The haul was a minimum of 21 hours. We’ve already established that horses, by law, must be offloaded after 28 hours on a trailer. Guess what? By law, a truck driver can only haul for 11 hours before having to take 10 hours off duty (source). So. Either he was planning on doing this illegally and have the driver try to haul straight through (NOT OKAY, BTW) or…the horses would be on that trailer a heck of a lot longer than 28 hours. If hauled legally, they were looking at at least two, if not three days on the trailer. NOT OKAY.
Now, do we think that this man, who has prior documented history of not having proper health paperwork for his horses (to the point of having the State Veterinarian of Tennessee involved), who was under investigation by the State of Texas, and, given all of the above, was really planning on: A) unloading the horses (who, remember, are packed in there to prevent movement and load shifting); B) watering the horses; C) feeding the horses? If you think so, I have some oceanfront property to sell you. Not doing all of these things would be NOT OKAY.
So what in the h*!! are you defending?
It’s our anti slaughter conspiracy…
RedMare01, your post was outstanding and well thought out. Thank you.
I think we can all agree that if the driver and shipper are proven guilty of violating traffic/shipping laws by driving an unsafe rig, not having proper paper work, an impaired driver, etc. then they should be prosecuted no matter what they were hauling.
As far as the number of horses on the truck, all I can say is that most of you have never hauled loose stock in an open trailer. You have to put them in fairly tight or you get dangerous shifting in your load, they have room to fight and the danger of one falling and getting trampled is greatly increased.
[QUOTE=wireweiners;6091051]
I think we can all agree that if the driver and shipper are proven guilty of violating traffic/shipping laws by driving an unsafe rig, not having proper paper work, an impaired driver, etc. then they should be prosecuted no matter what they were hauling.
As far as the number of horses on the truck, all I can say is that most of you have never hauled loose stock in an open trailer. You have to put them in fairly tight or you get dangerous shifting in your load, they have room to fight and the danger of one falling and getting trampled is greatly increased.[/QUOTE]
Well, I hauled my mare loose in my stock/combo trailer day before yesterday. By herself. I guess it’s just miraculous that she was still upright when I got home?
Who are these horses who can’t stand up if they aren’t propped up?
Yes I agree. Very well done.
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