Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

[LLDM]

@Alagirl;6090141

Also, even though there are ‘laws’ concerning minimum space for animals (I’d applaud the math genius if I cared to check it -or cared) does more room make for better hauling?

In just about every case study ever done (do I need to look them up for you?) horses haul better when they can spread their legs enough to brace - no matter what orientation they are facing. Are you arguing that less than 11 sq. feet of space per horse permits that?

There IS such a thing as “too many”. Too many to be safe (inside the trailer) and too many not to be cruel - esp. since they can apparently stay loaded for 26 hours straight.

IMO - it’s worthy of discussion - no matter where you stand on the slaughter issue.

Seems to me when you have more room to be tossed about you have more room for injury as well? But that is a more general question, in terms of added velocity to the impact.

So your answer is to pack all equines in such a way as to minimize injury during a wreck, as opposed to, say, minimizing injury during a normal transport? Really?

Many times we people treat our animals only from the POV from us, what is good for us, with no real regard to what the realistic needs of the animals are.

What is good for “us”? Who is “us”? WTH are you talking about? If “us” are folks who move bulk horses about w/o regard to their health or well being, then the more’s the better. If “us” is the COTH collective, most of “us” (I would guess) would vote to uphold basic laws that protect horses from inhumane treatment - esp. since that will keep the extreme fringe of the RARA off our collective backs.

Of course if you and your buddies really think that 11 sq. feet is a reasonable amount of space per horse for 38 horses packed together in a moving vehicle for any amount of time, let alone a 26 hour max. (legal) trip, I will submit that you haven’t actually seen a horse for quite some time.

SCFarm

[7HL]

@katyb;6090091

I’ve had debris from a semi hit and damage my vehicle - and I was lucky it hit a fender and not a windshield.

Did they publish ALL of the info available about the driver?

Hanging or burning at the stake?

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;6089877]
And this has what to do with the rig on it’s side?[/QUOTE]

Same farm according to the video.And it was a vet that was concerned for the horses sitting in the sun on a 100 degree day. Of course the vet is probably an ARA that wants ownership to end, and photoshopped the video to make it look like it didn’t have a roof, and photoshopped out the people watering the horses.

[katyb]

[QUOTE=7HL;6090246]
Did they publish ALL of the info available about the driver?

Hanging or burning at the stake?[/QUOTE]

No, none. I stopped, because I thought my tire blew (it was a loud impact, but no danger to me), and he continued on his merry way, oblivious, I’m sure. It cost me a $1,000 deductible though - quite a pain.

[7HL]

@Acertainsmile;6090177

One of the first rules is that you have a safe vehicle (that is why we have to have them inspected)…if you dont, they yes, you are not only endangering the animals, but other drivers on the road as well.

What about a used Benderup being hauled by a Pinto, is that safe?

They are hundreds if not thousands of horse owners trailering their horses in an unsafe manner. Why isn’t there a move to get them off the road? How many threads started on here about people wanting to do the bare minimum in transporting their horse somewhere?

[Barnfairy]

@7HL;6090069

There is a new thread about a horse killed, by a hit and rund driver in NH.

If the driver can be found. Will they release his name, home address and where they work? Will they do complete backgound check and let the public know everything they can about the driver? Will there be a call for vigilante justice?

Well, if you read the link within that thread, you’ll see that the name of the driver --who later turned himself in-- has been released. I’m sure the comments somewhere will reflect the same level of anger and concern for safety as has been expressed in this thread. Do you think a driver who lacks the presence of mind to stop after hitting something as large as a horse hard enough to catastrophically injure it should really be behind the wheel?

If you are so concerned about the defense of these drivers, perhaps your efforts would be better spent helping them lawyer up. It shouldn’t be a problem getting in touch, seeing as how you have their contact info now.

[Acertainsmile]

[QUOTE=7HL;6090279]
What about a used Benderup being hauled by a Pinto, is that safe?

They are hundreds if not thousands of horse owners trailering their horses in an unsafe manner. Why isn’t there a move to get them off the road? How many threads started on here about people wanting to do the bare minimum in transporting their horse somewhere?[/QUOTE]

If both car and trailer are seemingly in good working order, then there are no laws being broken. Quite differnt though if there are 6 horses in that teeny trailer.

What we are discussing here is that his rig was not safe, and the driver was more than likely impaired, or did you not read the report?

[7HL]

@Acertainsmile;6090299

If both car and trailer are seemingly in good working order, then there are no laws being broken…

So as long as no laws are broken, anything goes?

As far as I know it’s not against the law to slaughter horses, or sell horse to go to slaughter. So where the horses were going and why, have nothing to do with this accident.

[7HL]

@Barnfairy;6090295

If you are so concerned about the defense of these drivers…

I am concerned about equal and fair justice for all.

I have seen many drivers in general that shouldn’t be on the road.

I have seen many weekend horse haulers, transporting their and others horses in an unsafe manner. Whether it be with unsafe and uninspected trailers or just really not trained in handling a trailer with horses in it. I see some of the same people hauling horses without the proper paperwork and licenses.

This thread is just about trying to shutting down horse slaughter. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

[Acertainsmile]

[QUOTE=7HL;6090320]
So as long as no laws are broken, anything goes?

As far as I know it’s not against the law to slaughter horses, or sell horse to go to slaughter. So where the horses were going and why, have nothing to do with this accident.[/QUOTE]

Who said where the horses were going is an issue? And not one single poster has made the “illegal slaughter” point.

As far as anything goes as long as no laws are broken, that pretty much describes our legal system here in the U.S. no?

[7HL]

@Acertainsmile;6090348

Who said where the horses were going is an issue? And not one single poster has made the “illegal slaughter” point.

As far as anything goes as long as no laws are broken, that pretty much describes our legal system here in the U.S. no?

So slaughter has NO PLACE in thread?

I agree!!!

As far as our legal system, no such thing as equal justice. Remember corporations are people. I have yet to see any corporations thrown in jail or get the death penalty.

[Acertainsmile]

[QUOTE=7HL;6090405]
So slaughter has NO PLACE in thread?

I agree!!!

As far as our legal system, no such thing as equal justice. Remember corporations are people. I have yet to see any corporations thrown in jail or get the death penalty.[/QUOTE]

WTH…anyway, ever heard of Bernie Maddof? Or Jeffrey Skilling?

Charges are pending against the driver of the rig.

[katyb]

[QUOTE=7HL;6090331]
I am concerned about equal and fair justice for all.

I have seen many drivers in general that shouldn’t be on the road.

I have seen many weekend horse haulers, transporting their and others horses in an unsafe manner. Whether it be with unsafe and uninspected trailers or just really not trained in handling a trailer with horses in it. I see some of the same people hauling horses without the proper paperwork and licenses.

This thread is just about trying to shutting down horse slaughter. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors.[/QUOTE]

That’s just not the case. Slaughter hasn’t been mentioned much, other than by the pro-slaughter crowd making those claims.

As to the rest, commercial drivers are held to different standards than the rest of us. That is just the way it is - as of 1/1/12, anyone with a CDL can’t talk on a handheld cell phone while driving, but in many states, non-professional drivers can. Don’t like it? Spend your money trying to change it.

[BaroquePony]

We need to make our justice system work better all the way around, so to speak.

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[7HL]

@horseworld;6085327

According to channel 4, the horses were indeed headed to slaughter before the accident (I’m guessing Mexico?). Surviving horses are being taken to Dickson Stockyard to determine what will be done with them. Hopefully someone will step in here and help these animals out. Please folks - don’t be foolish enough to believe that a slaughter house in the US will prevent people from overloading these trailers. The more horses they can cram into the trailers the more profit they make. A 2 hr drive or a 2 day drive - neither should be acceptable.

[quote=katyb;6090476]That’s just not the case. Slaughter hasn’t been mentioned much, other than by the pro-slaughter crowd making those claims.

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[Acertainsmile]

And the reason slaughter was mentioned, is because typically you wont see 38 horses crammed into a trailer going to a horse show., plus someone lied about where they were being shipped to (why lie?)

This is part of the slaughter problem, for both the anti and the pro side…how the horses are treated while in transport, and treated once they arrive at holding pens, etc.

The only people who dont care are people that dont care about horses, period.

[katyb]

Much - meaning not frequently. I’m not going to re-read 16 pages to do a post count, and then spend time identifying people into pro and anti-slaughter groups, but feel free to do that if you have the time.

[luvmytbs]

@Acertainsmile;6090299

What we are discussing here is that his rig was not safe, and the driver was more than likely impaired, or did you not read the report?

When the driver made the statement (and he seems the only one so far who has told the truth and stuck to his story) that his employer told him to drive in his condition or loose his job, I did feel bad for the driver.

In a better economy he may have been able to say, well then fire me, and have found another job right away.

It’s sad that people feel they have to risk their own lives and others in order to make a paycheck.

[Acertainsmile]

And the reason slaughter was mentioned, is because typically you wont see 38 horses crammed into a trailer going to a horse show., plus someone lied about where they were being shipped to (why lie?)

This is part of the slaughter problem, for both the anti and the pro side…how the horses are treated while in transport, and treated once they arrive at holding pens, etc.

The only people who dont care are people that dont care about horses, period.

[luvmytbs]

Where the horses were going seemed important enough to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Otherwise they would not be looking into charges against the owner/shipper for operating without an interstate license.