So how do you offer water and hay to each and every horse not more than 6 hours apart in these rigs? Looks to me like it’s not possible unless they off load them.
The “rig on its side” opened up a whole other can of worms.
But I guess you’d rather no-one look into anything at all to do with the accident or this company. :sigh:
Originally Posted by Alagirl
And this has what to do with the rig on it’s side?
Perhaps show a preponderance of violators in the horse hauling business?
It shows a tendency of this operation to haul horses in an unpleasant, possibly unsafe, manner.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6089802]
Don’t be dense!
He wrecked a damn 18 wheeler on a highway! There was never a question that he will be charged.
however, cruelty to horses is not one of the charges, though I am sure a case can be made for that, too.[/QUOTE]
That’s not dense. Not everyone who has a wreck is cited.
As I said in my post, there are quite a few issues of concern UNRELATED to the horses. I drive these roads, and I’d prefer not to share them with impaired drivers operating inadequate equipment.
How would you guys be reacting if this accident was caused by another driver?
Or even when they are and are ordered to pay a fine of $ 160,000 like Leroy Baker of Sugarcreek, OH.
How many years ago was that?
He still hasn’t paid that fine, which has accrued interest to the tune of over $ 10,000.
If that was you or me, we’d be sitting in a cell somewhere. 
That is not a problem just for the slaughter industry.
I am rather behind a truck in close quarters than in front, being aware that there can be issues with the rig’s condition.
Then again certain loads I don’t want to be behind the rig either…I have seen huge contraptions made of steel on the road…not something you want to encounter when it’s in the process of becoming airborn! We are talking something like molds for truck tires…
And no, I don’t want to be behind a trailer when a horse falls out, for that matter.
Considering that the Max semi-trailer dimensions for a livestock trailer are 8’ x 52’ - according to this: http://tntrucking.tn.gov/TCAcodes.html#202
That would be 8’ x 52’ / 38 horses = 10.947368 sq. feet per horse. IF it was a maximum sized trailer under Tenn laws.
(4) Load the equines on the conveyance so that:
(i) Each equine has enough floor space to ensure that no equine is crowded in a way likely to cause injury or discomfort;
Considering the above, do you really think that less than 11 sq. feet per horse “ensures that no equine is crowed in a way likely to cause injury or discomfort”?
SCFarm
There is a new thread about a horse killed, by a hit and rund driver in NH.
If the driver can be found. Will they release his name, home address and where they work? Will they do complete backgound check and let the public know everything they can about the driver? Will there be a call for vigilante justice?
LOL, the pitchforks would just be aimed at the unfortunate soul who got in the way.
No, wait, in this case it could be a ticker tape parade, no?
[quote=katyb;6090022]That’s not dense. Not everyone who has a wreck is cited.
As I said in my post, there are quite a few issues of concern UNRELATED to the horses. I drive these roads, and I’d prefer not to share them with impaired drivers operating inadequate equipment.
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[quote=luvmytbs;6090043]Or even when they are and are ordered to pay a fine of $ 160,000 like Leroy Baker of Sugarcreek, OH.
How many years ago was that?
He still hasn’t paid that fine, which has accrued interest to the tune of over $ 10,000.
If that was you or me, we’d be sitting in a cell somewhere.
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No, not everybody who has a wreck is cited. That seems to be in the discretion of the law enforcement officers and finally I am assuming the DA.
And hey, that nobody collects the fines is also not relevant. It sucks, since when the average Joe o Jane does not pay them, there will be harsh repercussions. but such is life. Call the representatives and ask them about it.
[QUOTE=7HL;6090069]
There is a new thread about a horse killed, by a hit and rund driver in NH.
If the driver can be found. Will they release his name, home address and where they work? Will they do complete backgound check and let the public know everything they can about the driver? Will there be a call for vigilante justice?[/QUOTE]
I don’t know about NH, but in TN, yes they would release his name and driving and/or criminal record. As I’ve state repeatedly, that information is included in pretty much every “accident on the highway story” on our local news stations. Locally, this is not being spun nearly so much as a horse issue as it is a safety on the highways issue.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6090063]
That is not a problem just for the slaughter industry.
I am rather behind a truck in close quarters than in front, being aware that there can be issues with the rig’s condition.
Then again certain loads I don’t want to be behind the rig either…I have seen huge contraptions made of steel on the road…not something you want to encounter when it’s in the process of becoming airborn! We are talking something like molds for truck tires…
And no, I don’t want to be behind a trailer when a horse falls out, for that matter.[/QUOTE]
I think the “basically against slaughter” crowd has made this much less about that eventuality than the “pro slaughter” crowd.
I’ve had debris from a semi hit and damage my vehicle - and I was lucky it hit a fender and not a windshield.
Question? In Georgia (from what I hear, TN is no different), if you got in a wreck with horses for sale there is no way in heck you would be able to take horses back to the farm with you! They may not be willing to do anything about starvation or neglect but not have the right coggins and the book is usually thrown at the person. How did this guy get to immediately take all those horses without proper papers right back where to the farm where they came from?
For instance, a friend of mine found some stray ponies. He took them in and called AC. They were not allowed to be returned to their owner’s pasture until said owners (on vacation at the time) had coggins pulled and test results came back.
Does this seem strange to anyone else? That this man got a “get out of jail free” card? Think that good-ole-boy network had anything to do with it?
Also strange that even though four horses were euthanized, the owner stated to the media that ALL the surviving horses taken back to his “farm” and were in “good” condition. Which meant that no additional veterinary care was required? Does anyone know if the state USDA office did any sort of checks to ensure adequate veterinary care was administered to the surviving horses? Has the state or Federal USDA/APHIS released any statements on this?
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6089816]
Be careful what you ask for:
First, it was 38 horses, no?
Then being charged with cruelty for having a wreck while hauling, do you really REALLY want to go down that road?
Just because it fits your agenda?
Think long and hard about that![/QUOTE]
What agenda would that be, hmmm?
I am not anti slaughter, however I am against the ways horses are transported and treated before they reach the plants.
And yes, if careless/cruel intentions are involved that leads to a crash that injures or kills a horse, the driver/owner should be charged.
If a dog is riding in the back of the truck tied to a long rope, and the dog falls/jumps out and gets drug along a highway for several miles, you’d better believe the owner would be charged…no difference.
good for you.
Now an exercise in - eh, whatever:
Detach yourself from the image of a big rig assumed to head for Mexico.
Replace it with a nice air ride truck from whateverhaulerforDobbins.
Got that?
now
Put said truck upside down in a ditch. Reason? don’t matter nohow.
NOW, since the horses were tossed about in the wreck and got scuffed up, it has to be cruel, right! Do you REALLY want to be able to charge a driver with cruelty for being in a wreck?
How about you are driving down the road and end up in the ditch, heaven forbid.
Also, even though there are ‘laws’ concerning minimum space for animals (I’d applaud the math genius if I cared to check it -or cared) does more room make for better hauling?
Seems to me when you have more room to be tossed about you have more room for injury as well? But that is a more general question, in terms of added velocity to the impact.
Many times we people treat our animals only from the POV from us, what is good for us, with no real regard to what the realistic needs of the animals are.
That can be the pig in a tiny cage, because we need easy access, or the opposite, throwing an animal into an environment that stresses them. And that can be the comfy box stall 12x12 with more ward robe than Imelda Marcos had shoes. Because we like it. We think the horse is better off that way.
But reason does matter, even in your example. Did the driver fall asleep? Was he/she drunk? Otherwise impaired?
If the answer to any of those questions is yes, then that driver should get charged/cited, just like anyone else who has a wreck while driving impaired.
F for reading comprehension.
Oh BS Alagirl, there are rules and regulations in place for hauling livestock, and horses. One of the first rules is that you have a safe vehicle (that is why we have to have them inspected)…if you dont, they yes, you are not only endangering the animals, but other drivers on the road as well.
Not quite.
No-one here stated that the driver should be charged with animal cruelty, so your mention of it is irrelevant.
