Sigh…
Ahhh, this thread’s journey was sadly but comically predictable from the outset of the original post.
Thank God (or whatever higher power one may believe in) no one here has access to the red “doomsday” phone.
Another classic case of FIF (Forum Induced Frenzy).
I’l have another sip of wine and read on now…
Cheap Box I hope! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Cheap Box I hope! :lol::lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
Cheap enough…(urp)…!
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6089375]
Cheap Box I hope! :lol::lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
Cheap enough (hiccup)…!
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Wow, this thread is strange.
I am certainly not an animal rights activist, nor to I have anything against slaughter per se…although I do think it should be as humane as possible.
But…38 horses with tags on one trailer. If it walks like a duck…yeah, I’m not seeing how these were going anywhere but to slaughter. I don’t agree with 38 horses on one trailer, at all. No way is that humane, especially for a long haul. But, that’s me, and while I personally have a problem with it, I can see how others might not. That’s why it’s called an opinion, and everyone’s entitled to one. So, can we please stop attacking because some people DO have a differing opinion? Also, arguing over the semantics of this is odd to me…how many times are 38 horses with tags hauled together in a semi when they’re NOT going to slaughter? Not many, I’m betting. If you don’t have a problem with that, fine. Just say that. But I’m not seeing the “Oh, nooo, they weren’t going to slaughter…they were going to a trainer in Oklahoma to be sold as riding horses” bit. Because OK is in such need of low end horses that they have to ship them in from TN? 38 at a time? Not buying it.[/QUOTE]
The voice of reason!
A known KB/dealer is shipping almost 40 horses in one trailer to OK because, didn’t you know, they RAN OUT OF HORSES IN OK! As if!
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Originally Posted by subk
Ok I’m gone. The crazies have taken over. I don’t know how to have any kind of rational dialouge with someone who either believes that statement and thinks I’m stupid enough to beleive it. Evolved? Hardly.
Shoot when I was in school most professors still thought animals not only didn’t feel pain (truly FELT it, the way WE do) but they thought they operated only by instinct, they didn’t think or reason or have any emotions at all. Of couse anyone who has watched real live animal behavior knows that is BS and we even have studies now that point out the obvious. Doctors thought BABIES didn’t feel pain! They’d circumcise them and do surgery on them without pain meds. (of course they put them under for surgery!) Imagine doing that to your baby. Even when I was a little kid I was pretty sure that babies felt pain. (Just smack one and listen!!) The world has come a LONG way in the last 30 years.
Not sure if this has been posted…will the owner of the farm be charged? He should be.
Thanks for sharing the video. I was saddened to hear of the cattle killed in a similar crash by another driver for this outfit. Could this farm be more inappropriately named than “Three Angels Farm?”
I sure hope this latest crash shuts this company down.
I wonder if anyone feels like defending this guy now? Two charges, three equipment violations, already, and this is not the first accident with animal fatalities that he has had, even recently. It’s only good luck that he has killed the cows and horses and not people. If he knew he was unfit to drive and drove anyway, he should be criminally charged. Based on the information that he had a “back procedure” the same day brings up the possibility of driving under the influence. The owner of the farm hired a driver without checking his driving record, so he is at best an idiot. Absolutely separate from the way the horses are being treated, these are some pretty horrid people; I’m not the least bit happy to be sharing the roads with them.
Anybody notice how bald some of those tires were on the trailer that was oveturned? There is NO WAY that trailer passed any kind of inspection, assuming that whatever state that trailer was registered in required inspections.
Don’t be dense!
He wrecked a damn 18 wheeler on a highway! There was never a question that he will be charged.
however, cruelty to horses is not one of the charges, though I am sure a case can be made for that, too.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6089802]
Don’t be dense!
He wrecked a damn 18 wheeler on a highway! There was never a question that he will be charged.
however, cruelty to horses is not one of the charges, though I am sure a case can be made for that, too.[/QUOTE]
I would hope so, packing in 40 horses in an unfit trailer, being driven by an unfit driver, wrecking and having 3 of those horses die seems cruel to me…
Be careful what you ask for:
First, it was 38 horses, no?
Then being charged with cruelty for having a wreck while hauling, do you really REALLY want to go down that road?
Just because it fits your agenda?
Think long and hard about that!
In the video:
News Channel 4 found a private individual who video recorded a load of horses (trucked by the same company) sitting at a gas station for 20 minutes in 100 degree weather.
That trailer was a stock trailer with an open roof.
And from this report:
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/16548811/investigation-launched-into-horse-trailer-crash
“Officials there said Ayache does not have a valid license to conduct interstate commerce.”
Federal Regulations
Given the array of discussion on this horid accident I thought it might be useful to post the Federal Regulations. The Code of Federal Regulations are available online, and while long, the CFR defines terms and outlines the what, where, when and who. It’s worth the read for anyone that has questions or has responded on this forum.
e-CFR Data is current as of January 17, 2012
Title 9: Animals and Animal Products
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PART 88—COMMERCIAL TRANSPORTATION OF EQUINES FOR SLAUGHTER
Section Contents
§ 88.1 Definitions.
§ 88.2 General information.
§ 88.3 Standards for conveyances.
§ 88.4 Requirements for transport.
§ 88.5 Requirements at a slaughtering facility.
§ 88.6 Violations and penalties.
Authority: 7 U.S.C. 1901, 7 CFR 2.22, 2.80, 371.4.
Source: 66 FR 63615, Dec. 7, 2001, unless otherwise noted.
§ 88.1 Definitions.
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The following definitions apply to this part:
APHIS. The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Assembly point. Any facility, including auction markets, ranches, feedlots, and stockyards, in which equines are gathered in commerce.
Commercial transportation. Movement for profit via conveyance on any highway or public road.
Conveyance. Trucks, tractors, trailers, or semitrailers, or any combination of these, propelled or drawn by mechanical power.
Equine. Any member of the Equidae family, which includes horses, asses, mules, ponies, and zebras.
Equine for slaughter. Any member of the Equidae family being transferred to a slaughter facility, including an assembly point, feedlot, or stockyard.
Euthanasia. The humane destruction of an animal by the use of an anesthetic agent or other means that causes painless loss of consciousness and subsequent death.
Feedlot. Any facility which consolidates livestock for preconditioning, feeding, fattening, or holding before being sent to slaughter.
Owner/shipper. Any individual, partnership, corporation, or cooperative association that engages in the commercial transportation of more than 20 equines per year to slaughtering facilities, except any individual or other entity who transports equines to slaughtering facilities incidental to his or her principal activity of production agriculture (production of food or fiber).
Owner-shipper certificate. VS Form 10–13,1 which requires the information specified by §88.4(a)(3) of this part.
1 Forms may be obtained from the National Animal Health Programs Staff, Veterinary Services, APHIS, 4700 River Road Unit 43, Riverdale, MD 20737–1231.
Secretary. The Secretary of Agriculture.
Slaughtering facility. A commercial establishment that slaughters equines for any purpose.
Stallion. Any uncastrated male equine that is 1 year of age or older.
Stockyard. Any place, establishment, or facility commonly known as stockyards, conducted, operated, or managed for profit or nonprofit as a public market for livestock producers, feeders, market agencies, and buyers, consisting of pens, or other enclosures, and their appurtenances, in which live cattle, sheep, swine, horses, mules, or goats are received, held, or kept for sale or shipment in commerce.
USDA. The U.S. Department of Agriculture.
USDA backtag. A backtag issued by APHIS that conforms to the eight-character alpha-numeric National Backtagging System and that provides unique identification for each animal.
USDA representative. Any employee of the USDA who is authorized by the Deputy Administrator for Veterinary Services of APHIS, USDA, to enforce this part.
[66 FR 63615, Dec. 7, 2001, as amended at 76 FR 55216, Sept. 7, 2011]
§ 88.2 General information.
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(a) State governments may enact and enforce regulations that are consistent with or that are more stringent than the regulations in this part.
(b) To determine whether an individual or other entity found to transport equines for slaughter is subject to the regulations in this part, a USDA representative may request from any individual or other entity who transported the equines information regarding the business of that individual or other entity. When such information is requested, the individual or other entity who transported the equines must provide the information within 30 days and in a format as may be specified by the USDA representative.
[66 FR 63615, Dec. 7, 2001, as amended at 76 FR 55216, Sept. 7, 2011]
§ 88.3 Standards for conveyances.
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(a) The animal cargo space of conveyances used for the commercial transportation of equines for slaughter must:
(1) Be designed, constructed, and maintained in a manner that at all times protects the health and well-being of the equines being transported (e.g., provides adequate ventilation, contains no sharp protrusions, etc.);
(2) Include means of completely segregating each stallion and each aggressive equine on the conveyance so that no stallion or aggressive equine can come into contact with any of the other equines on the conveyance;
(3) Have sufficient interior height to allow each equine on the conveyance to stand with its head extended to the fullest normal postural height; and
(4) Be equipped with doors and ramps of sufficient size and location to provide for safe loading and unloading.
(b) Equines for slaughter must not be transported in any conveyance that has the animal cargo space divided into two or more stacked levels, except that conveyances lacking the capability to convert from two or more stacked levels to one level may be used until December 7, 2006. Conveyances with collapsible floors (also known as “floating decks”) must be configured to transport equines on one level only.
[66 FR 63615, Dec. 7, 2001, as amended at 76 FR 55216, Sept. 7, 2011]
§ 88.4 Requirements for transport.
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(a) Prior to the commercial transportation of equines for slaughter, the owner/shipper must:
(1) For a period of not less than 6 consecutive hours immediately prior to the equines being loaded on the conveyance, provide each equine appropriate food ( i.e. , hay, grass, or other food that would allow an equine in transit to maintain well-being), potable water, and the opportunity to rest;
(2) Apply a USDA backtag2 to each equine in the shipment;
2 USDA backtags are available at recognized slaughtering establishments and specifically approved stockyards and from State representatives and APHIS representatives. A list of recognized slaughtering establishments and specifically approved stockyards may be obtained as indicated in §78.1 of this chapter. The terms “State representative” and “APHIS representative” are defined in §78.1 of this chapter.
(3) Complete and sign an owner-shipper certificate for each equine being transported. The owner-shipper certificate for each equine must accompany the equine throughout transit to slaughter and must include the following information, which must be typed or legibly completed in ink:
(i) The owner/shipper’s name, address, and telephone number;
(ii) The receiver’s (destination) name, address, and telephone number;
(iii) The name of the auction/market, if applicable;
(iv) A description of the conveyance, including the license plate number;
(v) A description of the equine’s physical characteristics, including such information as sex, breed, coloring, distinguishing markings, permanent brands, tattoos, and electronic devices that could be used to identify the equine;
(vi) The number of the USDA backtag applied to the equine in accordance with paragraph (a)(2) of this section;
(vii) A statement of fitness to travel at the time of loading, which will indicate that the equine is able to bear weight on all four limbs, able to walk unassisted, not blind in both eyes, older than 6 months of age, and not likely to give birth during the trip;
(viii) A description of any preexisting injuries or other unusual condition of the equine, such as a wound or blindness in one eye, that may cause the equine to have special handling needs;
(ix) The date, time, and place the equine was loaded on the conveyance; and
(x) A statement that the equine was provided access to food, water, and rest prior to transport in accordance with paragraph (a)(1) of this section; and
(4) Load the equines on the conveyance so that:
(i) Each equine has enough floor space to ensure that no equine is crowded in a way likely to cause injury or discomfort; and
(ii) Each stallion and any aggressive equines are completely segregated so that no stallion or aggressive equine can come into contact with any other equine on the conveyance.
(b) During commercial transportation of equines for slaughter, the owner/shipper must:
(1) Drive in a manner to avoid causing injury to the equines;
(2) Observe the equines as frequently as circumstances allow, but not less than once every 6 hours, to check the physical condition of the equines and ensure that all requirements of this part are being followed. The owner/shipper must obtain veterinary assistance as soon as possible from an equine veterinarian for any equines in obvious physical distress. Equines that become nonambulatory en route must be euthanized by an equine veterinarian. If an equine dies en route, the owner/shipper must contact the nearest APHIS office as soon as possible and allow an APHIS veterinarian to examine the equine. If an APHIS veterinarian is not available, the owner/shipper must contact an equine veterinarian;
(3) Offload from the conveyance any equine that has been on the conveyance for 28 consecutive hours and provide the equine appropriate food, potable water, and the opportunity to rest for at least 6 consecutive hours; and
(4) If offloading is required en route to the slaughtering facility, the owner/shipper must prepare another owner-shipper certificate as required by paragraph (a)(2) of this section and record the date, time, and location where the offloading occurred. In this situation, both owner-shipper certificates would need to accompany the equines for slaughter.
© Handling of all equines for slaughter shall be done as expeditiously and carefully as possible in a manner that does not cause unnecessary discomfort, stress, physical harm, or trauma. Electric prods may not be used on equines for slaughter for any purpose, including loading or offloading on the conveyance, except when human safety is threatened.
(d) At any point during the commercial transportation of equines for slaughter, a USDA representative may examine the equines, inspect the conveyance, or review the owner-shipper certificates required by paragraph (a)(3) of this section.
(e) At any time during the commercial transportation of equines for slaughter, a USDA representative may direct the owner/shipper to take appropriate actions to alleviate the suffering of any equine. If deemed necessary by the USDA representative, such actions could include securing the services of an equine veterinarian to treat an equine, including performing euthanasia if necessary.
(f) The individual or other entity who signs the owner-shipper certificate must maintain a copy of the owner-shipper certificate for 1 year following the date of signature.
(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control numbers 0579–0160 and 0579–0332)
[66 FR 63615, Dec. 7, 2001, as amended at 76 FR 55216, Sept. 7, 2011]
§ 88.5 Requirements at a slaughtering facility.
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(a) Upon arrival at a slaughtering facility, the owner/shipper must:
(1) Ensure that each equine has access to appropriate food and potable water after being offloaded;
(2) Present the owner-shipper certificates to a USDA representative;
(3) Allow a USDA representative access to the equines for the purpose of examination; and
(4) Allow a USDA representative access to the animal cargo area of the conveyance for the purpose of inspection.
(b) If the owner/shipper arrives during normal business hours, the owner/shipper must not leave the premises of a slaughtering facility until the equines have been examined by a USDA representative. However, if the owner/shipper arrives outside of normal business hours, the owner/shipper may leave the premises but must return to the premises of the slaughtering facility to meet the USDA representative upon his or her arrival.
© Any owner/shipper transporting equines to slaughtering facilities outside of the United States must present the owner-shipper certificates to USDA representatives at the border.
§ 88.6 Violations and penalties.
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(a) The Secretary is authorized to assess civil penalties of up to $5,000 per violation of any of the regulations in this part.
(b) Each equine transported in violation of the regulations of this part will be considered a separate violation.
(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 0579–0160)
Along with noting the bald tires and the mention his trailer was cited for faulty brakes and frame, I noticed the logo from another trailer:
Three Angels Farms Rev 14
Bonifay Fl / Lebanon TN
Well, I looked up Revelation 14, and here’s what is written:
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The name may be more fitting than the owner originally intended. After watching the report, it sure sounds like making money was a priority over safety here. I doubt that’s going to go over well on Judgement Day.
And this has what to do with the rig on it’s side?
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And this has what to do with the rig on it’s side?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps show a preponderance of violators in the horse hauling business?
Remember though that these horses were headed to a feedlot, not directly to slaughter…so he might not have had to comply with those rules…a loophole certainly…but one he might be able to use to wiggle out of some charges. Since they were not officially directly slaughter bound he should have had to have coggins and health papers on every single horse. I cannot see how going to a feedlot should exempt them from the same legal standards all horses have to have to be legally shipped over state lines in the US. I may be wrong on that point but since there’s no guarantee they will die within any time frame by going to a feedlot or to even be slaughtered and not sold privately, there is no reason why they could not transmit EIA or some other equine disease like EHV-1 to healthy horses at the destination point.
Wow…just wow…
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