[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6088155]
[QUOTE=Liberty;6088015]
16.5 inches wide and 102" long…a full 8 foot 6 inches
Wider than most standard horse trailers on the road today…they would be loose loaded fairly slowly and stand sideways(slanted) normally of their own volition…and backward at that…
Tamara[/QUOTE]
Your horse fits in a 16.5 inch space? You ride a horse that fits in a 16.5 inch space?
I wanted to reply back politely to you this time in the spirit of detente and peace on the forum.
I see the mods removed the profanity and personal insult you used first from your earlier reply to me why I used the SAME exact word in return to you. Apparently you were offended and reported it…I’m not sure why since you used that word first??? 
Anyway, I’ve been told to watch the profanity so I won’t do that anymore. Sorry if my language offended anyone.
I have no idea how you construed my earlier post as any sort of insult intended for you as I was not even in a discussion with you directly but only sharing my opinion on the topic in general and agreeing with others who share my viewpoint. I also have no idea what you are talking about with Wyoming??? Yes I know ranchers in Wyoming and S. Dakota personally but it’s not pertinent to the discussion. Sorry I found that quite confusing and very OT.
I stand by my opinion and what I said earlier about shipping horses in that manner; and if you somehow find that personally insulting since it is not what you believe or have done in the past, than get over it. It really has/had nothing to do with you personally.
Have a wonderful day!
Originally Posted by [B]jenm[/B]
I have no problem volunteering to follow up with vigilante justice...
Charming, right! :lol:
[QUOTE=katyb;6088667]
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6088155]
Your horse fits in a 16.5 inch space? You ride a horse that fits in a 16.5 inch space?[/QUOTE]
you mention the 16.5in as if it were static…and the cargo restrained completely…
I could counter with the question to you “is your horse 8 feet 6 inches long?” there is much much more room for the horses to balance themselves in 102 inches as opposed to 96 or smaller as most pickup sized horse trailers are…I prefered 102 for my Featherlights…the horses just went better and the loads rode more stable…(and no;) it was a 42 foot gooseneck pulled by our F450)
as a further bit of interest a horse stall dimension is found here
:http://www.nca.aero/e/service/freighter/container.html#11
with a max weight of 15,000
Tamara
[QUOTE=subk;6088660]
No one is saying there shouldn’t be questions, just that those questions should be based on the facts and right now there aren’t any facts, yet we got people volunteering for vigilante justice.
If you can’t treat people decently I sure don’t have much respect for your opinion as to how we should treat animals.[/QUOTE]
Well, what I’ve read is “if he did such and such” and things like that. Yes, proof is necessary before there are any consequences. The driver didn’t really encourage anyone to give him the benefit of the doubt when he gave opposing stories regarding his destination. I think it’s that hint of a cover-up that got people riled up.
I’ll measure the foster yearling (who is maybe 12hh), but I think even she is wider than 16.5 inches. That seems like a width that would require some serious squishing to be even possible, but I just don’t see how it could approach comfortable.
I don’t think my horse is even 8’ long, but I’ll check. None of mine are longer than their spot in my trailer - that’s a definite. I think each section is 8’, but I’d have to measure to be sure. There is room between the horse and the cut gate when it is closed.
[QUOTE=katyb;6088706]
I’ll measure the foster yearling (who is maybe 12hh), but I think even she is wider than 16.5 inches. That seems like a width that would require some serious squishing to be even possible, but I just don’t see how it could approach comfortable.
I don’t think my horse is even 8’ long, but I’ll check. None of mine are longer than their spot in my trailer - that’s a definite. I think each section is 8’, but I’d have to measure to be sure. There is room between the horse and the cut gate when it is closed.[/QUOTE]
the six extra inches in width, over the 53 feet of the trailer adds up to a whole lot more space over a 96 inch wide body
Tamara
[quote=Tamara in TN;6088696]
What is interesting is that in Europe horses being shipped to slaughter have to have dividers between each horse. They tend to be way ahead of us on humane improvements in animal welfare.
What I have observed after 40 years of owning horses is that you cannot hardly put two strange horses together in an enclosure without someone kicking at someone or a power struggle while they sort out their status. I have also observed that the smaller and tighter the space, the more fighting…many animals are like that…chickens, even people…
Anyway, I understand the logic of cramming animals in so tightly they can’t fall down easily but God help them if they do go down. They probably can’t get up and are trampled and injured badly if not killed. Lots of examples of shipping injuries in that 900 page USDA document about humane transport violations to slaughterhouses in Texas to use as case in point.
I don’t support the overcrowded shipping of any animal and I don’t buy meat from the grocery store. I raise my own because I have strong personal feelings about that. I don’t think it’s any more OK to cram chickens in so tight that they smother or die of heat stroke than it is to cram horses in so tight that if one goes down somehow, it is badly injured or unable to get up.
JMO.
and I would have no problem arresting your azz when you do…
freaky radicals 
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6088716]
the six extra inches in width, over the 53 feet of the trailer adds up to a whole lot more space over a 96 inch wide body
Tamara[/QUOTE]
Sorry - I’m not following you. I get that there is room, head to tail, but I don’t see how that affects the room rib-to-rib. Even if the horses off set a bit, only their heads could conceivably fit comfortably in 16.5 inches.
[QUOTE=katyb;6088759]
Sorry - I’m not following you. I get that there is room, head to tail, but I don’t see how that affects the room rib-to-rib. Even if the horses off set a bit, only their heads could conceivably fit comfortably in 16.5 inches.[/QUOTE]
I’m not following that either. It’s the width that is the issue. Ain’t no way a live, standing horse is going to fit in a 16.5" wide space, inhumanely or not.
Anybody considered that it could be a type yet?
[QUOTE=katyb;6088759]
Sorry - I’m not following you. I get that there is room, head to tail, but I don’t see how that affects the room rib-to-rib. Even if the horses off set a bit, only their heads could conceivably fit comfortably in 16.5 inches.[/QUOTE]
the extra width of the trailer allows then to shift back or forward to more comfortable position…not having any (say) actual slant load type partitions between them they can adjust themselves…
while a partition between each would make that space very difficult to be in…and all the horses are not the same size…
by moving themselves back or forth (within that 102" on the floor and being unrestrained) the 16.5" size becomes more dimensionally blurred and more comfortable…remembering also that horses are sort of “pointed” at the head end and bigger at the butt
we also don’t know their sizes,they may have been <?> but the goal is to limit violent movement when moving w/crushing the cargo…
AGAIN as I said earlier…presented with that, I may have done differently…or maybe I would not have…all depends
you will have to draw up schematics.
OMG 16 inches…:lol:
While I have to admit I am fairly lost in your explanation, I have to say that I am considering to knock out a wall in my current bathroom to add 12 inches…you can’t imagine how much more room that would give me.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6088825]
you will have to draw up schematics.
OMG 16 inches…:lol:
While I have to admit I am fairly lost in your explanation, I have to say that I am considering to knock out a wall in my current bathroom to add 12 inches…you can’t imagine how much more room that would give me.[/QUOTE]
I think she is saying (correct me if I am wrong, Tamara), that the horses have room to move forward and backward in 102 inches, so the 16.5 inches isn’t so bad. I don’t think they can move enough to avoid a pretty good overlap, so I still don’t think that can be done comfortably for the horses. I’d have to measure out 102x16.5 and stick a horse in the box though; that’s the way my brain works. I bet my Jess will enjoy that. Off to search for chalk…
[QUOTE=katyb;6088880]
I think she is saying (correct me if I am wrong, Tamara), that the horses have room to move forward and backward in 102 inches, so the 16.5 inches isn’t so bad. I don’t think they can move enough to avoid a pretty good overlap, so I still don’t think that can be done comfortably for the horses. I’d have to measure out 102x16.5 and stick a horse in the box though; that’s the way my brain works. I bet my Jess will enjoy that. Off to search for chalk…[/QUOTE]
right…IF they have 102’ inches…they can go back and forward and turn head to tail and “nest” against one another…
and really short/small animals (not to say there were any on this flipped load but for discussion sake) could turn completely sideways w/in that 102"if the cut gates were used…you imagine a “settling” of the product…
again, total conjecture for the sake of the folks who have never hauled animals in this manner…too packed they suffocate,too loose they fall and are trampled…
while it is distasteful to some folks there really is an art and science behind it…
and with that I think I’ll bid this thread “adieu” if any one needs me for further queries,you can pop me a PM
thanks!
Tamara
I passed a long stock trailer last week on 65 northbound. It had a mid gate and pipe sides, and lots of ponies. I didn’t take a perfect head count or see if my vet had done their Health Certificates ;), but I’m positive there were 12-14 on either side of that mid gate, and yes they were staggered- noses to tails all the way up the trailer- and rocking along half asleep, holding each other up. It was an unusual sight, but there they were, twenty something packed ponies headed north.
[QUOTE=subk;6088548]
Ok I’m gone. The crazies have taken over. I don’t know how to have any kind of rational dialouge with someone who either believes that statement and thinks I’m stupid enough to beleive it. Evolved? Hardly.[/QUOTE]
Me thinks you have some studying to do if you think this is “just crazy talk.”
Yes people are THAT dumb. That is the CRAZY part.
[quote=Tamara in TN;6087900]
ok here you go
2012 Eby ground load…with ramps and cut gates 53 feet long and 102 wide…
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=894972&
Tamara
Bottom line: 102" x 53’ / 38 horses = 11.85526 sq feet per horse. I don’t care how they’re packed, there is simply not enough space per horse - unless they were all mini’s.
For comparison, someone quoted putting 6 horses on a 16’ stock trailer. If it was 102" x 16’ / 6 horses = 22.66667 sq feet per horse. 7 horses would be 19.45728 Sq feet. If the trailer were only 7’ (84") wide then x 16’ / 6 horses = 18.66666 sq feet @ and even with 7 horses = 16 sq feet per horse.
Is this the largest semi-stock trailer available? Can anyone tell the size of a trailer from it’s DOT info?
Disclaimer: I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist Party or an Animal Rights Activist.
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