[QUOTE=7HL;6088221]
If those that want to make this a slaughter thread want to save the horses from slaughter, buy the horses and take care of them.
Maybe HSUS should start buying horses meant for slaughter and start taking care of them.[/QUOTE]
<Like> Well said- Millions spent for PR and advertising and big paychecks for HSUS executives SHOULD instead be spent on actually saving and caring for animals- including horses.
[QUOTE=7HL;6088366]
No one feels sorry for the chickens on the Tyson Chicken trucks/tailers hauling hundred of crates jammed full of chickens speeding down the roads around me. Feathers flying everywhere, on their way to becomming McNuggets.
People and other animals eat horse meat. Horses are used more then just to ride. They are the tractors on many farms. They are a 16 year olds “hot rod” buggy. Those of us that choose to own horses to ride do not have exclusive domain over horses. We do not have the right or should we to tell others how to use them.[/QUOTE]
No different than the first Europeans thinking God gave America to THEM. Hereby giving themselves permission to exterminate the Natives. Funny…people have not evolved in 600 years.
Supply and demand
Simply that without demand there would be no slaughterhouses. The number of horses is irrelevant to the demand. Fewer horses(supply) would only mean horsemeat would become more expensive.
Only if the cost became more than the consumer wanted to pay would the consumption of horsemeat end
No one would be hauling horses TN-TX just to kill them if there was no demand and they were’nt going to compensated
[QUOTE=sunridge1;6088405]
No different than the first Europeans thinking God gave America to THEM. Hereby giving themselves permission to exterminate the Natives. Funny…people have not evolved in 600 years.[/QUOTE]
I would slightly modify that to: “Funny…SOME people have not evolved in 600 years.”
[QUOTE=Cielo Azure;6088423]
I would slightly modify that to: “Funny…SOME people have not evolved in 600 years.”[/QUOTE]
What’s really funny is who you think has evolved…or not.
Well considering that 50 or so years ago our species didn’t believe animals could feel pain I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
So what is the limit, numbers of chickens one can transport?
So if 38 horses are too many? Is there a limit on the number of chickens in a crate, th number of crates and how the crates are stacked? If not, could it be that they are going to be processed?
[QUOTE=Liberty;6088189]
Bluey (post 183)
Still not seeing how 38 horses could fit humanely on a 53’ long, 102" wide trailer (especially considering the divider gates and step-up section in the nose of the trailer Tamara posted).[/QUOTE]
They can’t fit humanely…:no:
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;6088192]Since it is public record:
http://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/SMS/Data/carrier.aspx?enc=4yXa9gpTgU1vkkvlsi6rFhZ8d71eLznCfOmDKvFbzNs=
It seems the driver (whether the same one or not) has a problem with fatique and the company has a problem with vehicle maintenance.
They have another accident on record in which a person was injured.
Further checking into safety vehicle inspections for this company, they failed two out of six and their vehicles were taken out of service at that time.
The DOT is very much understaffed, checkpoints/weighstations on roadways I travel around here are mostly closed.
So we, the public, have to rely on companies to obey the laws, maintain their vehicles and assure they don’t send out drivers that are impaired.[/QUOTE]
There is no excuse for this and anyone who allows it should be punished to the fullest extent of the law and then some. I have no problem volunteering to follow up with vigilante justice…
[QUOTE=7HL;6088249]Agreed!.
I am not against slaughter. All I hear from the anti crowd is to stop slaughter, with NO plan on what to do with the excess horses.
Horses are livestock! They have no rights. They were as other animals put on this earth for humans to use.
Just saying those that want to SAVE, have at it. Buy the horses and take care of them.
The answer usually is we need to stop breeding horses. Who is going to decide who doesn’t get to breed?[/QUOTE]
Wow, now I really know how much of a one track mind you have. You really need to go back to the last slaughter thread and read some of the suggestions on what can be done as an alternative to slaughter.
Horses and livestock may have no rights, but as humans and supposedly an intelligent species, we owe them the right to be treated HUMANELY.
38 HORSES CRAMMED IN A TRUCK IS INHUMANE NO MATTER HOW FAR THEY ARE TRAVELING!!
[QUOTE=sunridge1;6088473]
Well considering that 50 or so years ago our species didn’t believe animals could feel pain I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.[/QUOTE]
Ok I’m gone. The crazies have taken over. I don’t know how to have any kind of rational dialouge with someone who either believes that statement and thinks I’m stupid enough to beleive it. Evolved? Hardly.
Have you ever dealt with a semi trailer?
[QUOTE=7HL;6088495]
So what is the limit, numbers of chickens one can transport?
So if 38 horses are too many? Is there a limit on the number of chickens in a crate, th number of crates and how the crates are stacked? If not, could it be that they are going to be processed?[/QUOTE]
the limit would be 22-25 tons of total cargo…about 4300 living chickens (+/-) plus the weight of crates and any tarping for weather…
the standard rule of thumb for a 4-500 foot house is (I think),one load in and 7 loads out…Growing chickens is not my forte we simply use a lot of the litter…
Tamara
Bring out the pitch forks and torches.
A person can seek out chickens /beef/lamb, etc. that has been humanely raised and - while not expecting everyone to be a vegetarian - one can hope that the SPCA tag means something. We try to, and we eat much less meat than we used to.
One can.
Tyson is certainly not on that list.
However, quiet a few people have no wiggle room for such luxury.
However, this is going even further off on said tangent.
So I don’t see anything that says numbers of chickens per, just pounds.
So if horses are going to slaughter shouldn’t it just be a matter of pounds and how the cargo is loaded?
[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6088267]
And all we hear from the pro side is ‘build the plants, we’ll make sure it’s humane, regulated, and those regulations enforced’.
Yet when presented with a dude who has clearly broken regulations [this time or in the past, per the media, the Highway Patrol, and online records re: inspections] all we hear is ‘stop pickling on this little guy, it’s none of your business’.
That’s what makes their promises to make new plants humane and regulations enforced sound hollow.[/QUOTE]
How far does it have to go before those of you who say we shouldn’t question this situation would feel like it was wrong? 50 horses on the trailer? Is that anyone’s business? How about traveling 50 hours? Is that still okay? What if one of the horses was positive for EV1? Is that okay? What if there aren’t health certificates? Is there a line that people can cross that makes it bad? Or not? Pile the horses, one atop the other, and it’s okay, because horses have no rights?
[QUOTE=7HL;6088285]
:)[/QUOTE]
Hey, in TN, where this occured, all of that is published. It’s public record, why shouldn’t it be?
[QUOTE=katyb;6088649]
How far does it have to go before those of you who say we shouldn’t question this situation would feel like it was wrong? [/QUOTE]
No one is saying there shouldn’t be questions, just that those questions should be based on the facts and right now there aren’t any facts, yet we got people volunteering for vigilante justice.
If you can’t treat people decently I sure don’t have much respect for your opinion as to how we should treat animals.
It would require an APHIS inspector to determine if the shipper was violating the regs.
I don’t see that any individual on this thread suggested that those regs were not followed.
The only question that came up was in regard to the weight of the load, and that would fall under the jurisdiction of the DOT.
[QUOTE=7HL;6088640]
So I don’t see anything that says numbers of chickens per, just pounds.
So if horses are going to slaughter shouldn’t it just be a matter of pounds and how the cargo is loaded?[/QUOTE]
the law in TN is very clear on GWV…
so if you are trying to nail a driver on being overweight that is where you would do it…
you can also nail him for lights being out,log books behind,brakes adjusted incorrectly,too much weight on the wrong axle,engine light being on,skipping a scale,crossing a bridge he is not rated for,using his jakes in communities that have prohibited it,using his cell phone and being too many hours behind the wheel in one stetch and on and on and on.
Tamara
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